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Kev3188
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Right up there with "you people."Glenn Quagmire said:
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Tell us again what well-regulated militia you belong to.townpete said:
That's "different"KCFlyer said:
Been having that argument for ~ 25 years, and I support the 2nd, applied intelligently
Somehow, "their" right is important, and no one else's mayter much if "they' feel threatened
Scared hypocritical little crybabies
Yes, they deserve that
Kev3188
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^Nailed it^
Such docility when it comes to the 4th... They're all too busy trying to prove their more lawful than the next guy, Constitution be damned...
Such docility when it comes to the 4th... They're all too busy trying to prove their more lawful than the next guy, Constitution be damned...
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What a weirdo. I have no idea where you pulled that out of???KCFlyer said:
How about I flip it back at you? Why so easily surrender your 2a rights whilst demanding your 4a remain?
See how that works?
WTF is wrong with you people?
Kev3188
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"You people."
Heh.
Heh.
Glenn Quagmire
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United States Supreme Court
PRESSER v. STATE OF ILLINOIS, (1886)
Argued: Decided: January 4, 1886
"It is undoubtedly true that all citizens capable of bearing arms constitute the reserved military force or reserve militia of the United States as well as of the states, and, in view of this prerogative of the general government, as well as of its general powers, the states cannot, even laying the constitutional provision in question out of view, prohibit the people from keeping and bearing arms, so as to deprive the United States of their rightful resource for maintaining the public security, and disable the people from performing their duty to the general government. But, as already stated, we think [116 U.S. 252, 266] it clear that the sections under consideration do not have this effect."
- See more at: http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supreme-court/116/252.html#sthash.tZ9SBfKO.dpuf
http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supreme-court/116/252.html
PRESSER v. STATE OF ILLINOIS, (1886)
Argued: Decided: January 4, 1886
"It is undoubtedly true that all citizens capable of bearing arms constitute the reserved military force or reserve militia of the United States as well as of the states, and, in view of this prerogative of the general government, as well as of its general powers, the states cannot, even laying the constitutional provision in question out of view, prohibit the people from keeping and bearing arms, so as to deprive the United States of their rightful resource for maintaining the public security, and disable the people from performing their duty to the general government. But, as already stated, we think [116 U.S. 252, 266] it clear that the sections under consideration do not have this effect."
- See more at: http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supreme-court/116/252.html#sthash.tZ9SBfKO.dpuf
http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supreme-court/116/252.html
Glenn Quagmire
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https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2014/september/fbi-releases-study-on-active-shooter-incidents/pdfs/a-study-of-active-shooter-incidents-in-the-u.s.-between-2000-and-2013
"In 5 incidents (3.1%), the shooting ended after armed individuals who were not law
enforcement personnel exchanged gunfire with the shooters. In these incidents, 3 shooters were killed, 1 was wounded, and 1 committed suicide.
■ The individuals involved in these shootings included a citizen with a valid firearms
permit and armed security guards at a church, an airline counter, a federally
managed museum, and a school board meeting"
"The study identified 21 (13.1%) of 160 incidents where unarmed citizens made the selfless and deeply personal choices to face the danger of an active shooter. In those instances, the citizens safely and successfully disrupted the shootings. In 11 of those 21 incidents, unarmed principals, teachers, other school staff and students confronted the shooters to end the threat. In 10 incidents, citizens, working or shopping when the shootings began, successfully restrained shooters until police could arrive. And in 6 other incidents, armed off-duty police of cers, citizens, and security guards risked their lives to successfully end the threat. These actions likely saved the lives of students and others present."
"In 5 incidents (3.1%), the shooting ended after armed individuals who were not law
enforcement personnel exchanged gunfire with the shooters. In these incidents, 3 shooters were killed, 1 was wounded, and 1 committed suicide.
■ The individuals involved in these shootings included a citizen with a valid firearms
permit and armed security guards at a church, an airline counter, a federally
managed museum, and a school board meeting"
"The study identified 21 (13.1%) of 160 incidents where unarmed citizens made the selfless and deeply personal choices to face the danger of an active shooter. In those instances, the citizens safely and successfully disrupted the shootings. In 11 of those 21 incidents, unarmed principals, teachers, other school staff and students confronted the shooters to end the threat. In 10 incidents, citizens, working or shopping when the shootings began, successfully restrained shooters until police could arrive. And in 6 other incidents, armed off-duty police of cers, citizens, and security guards risked their lives to successfully end the threat. These actions likely saved the lives of students and others present."
Kev3188
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That doesn't fit then narrative, Glenn...
townpete
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Except reality says otherwise:Glenn Quagmire said:
12 Times Mass Shootings Were Stopped by Good Guys With Guns
http://controversialtimes.com/issues/constitutional-rights/12-times-mass-shootings-were-stopped-by-good-guys-with-guns/
And most recently:
An Uber driver with a concealed handgun prevented a mass shooting in Chicago
http://www.businessinsider.com/uber-driver-with-concealed-handgun-prevents-mass-shooting-in-chicago-2015-4
Please feel free to break out your weasel dictionary and start parsing words as usual.
Still doesn't change the fact that yes, a good guy with a gun has stopped mass shootings.
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So this is not "real":
"To evaluate appropriate incidents to include and exclude, the FBI reviewed published studies and research articles on actual shooting incidents or related research conducted by other government agencies, appointed gubernatorial panels, local advisory commissions, and other public and private entities.
Using the federal definiton of active shooter and the general list of exclusionary and inclusionary factors, the FBI identified shooting incidents that occurred during the 2000 to 2013 time span that might fit into this study. This set of incidents was gathered from FBI data as well as other previously published lists of shooting incidents, including a comprehensive list of incidents developed by the New York Police Department and one of the most comprehensive studies of shooting incidents in the United States to datea study from 2000 to 2010 conducted by researchers from Texas State University (TXST) and its Advanced Law Enforcement Rapid Response Training (ALERRT) Center.
The FBI collected further data from law enforcement reports and international and open source information. A panel representing local law enforcement, the FBI, and TXST then used a deliberative process to identify the 160 active shooter incidents for this study. Researchers from TXST were consulted extensively throughout this analytical effort."
The research body of this study is well respected and peer reviewed. One only needs to look at the bibliography and footnotes in the study to see that these are some of the most respected people in the field.
The site you linked was difficult to read because I had to get past the ads for people magazine, among others. It also described no methodology or peer review. But hey, as long as it fits your confirmation bias, you are free to wallow in your own delusion.
"To evaluate appropriate incidents to include and exclude, the FBI reviewed published studies and research articles on actual shooting incidents or related research conducted by other government agencies, appointed gubernatorial panels, local advisory commissions, and other public and private entities.
Using the federal definiton of active shooter and the general list of exclusionary and inclusionary factors, the FBI identified shooting incidents that occurred during the 2000 to 2013 time span that might fit into this study. This set of incidents was gathered from FBI data as well as other previously published lists of shooting incidents, including a comprehensive list of incidents developed by the New York Police Department and one of the most comprehensive studies of shooting incidents in the United States to datea study from 2000 to 2010 conducted by researchers from Texas State University (TXST) and its Advanced Law Enforcement Rapid Response Training (ALERRT) Center.
The FBI collected further data from law enforcement reports and international and open source information. A panel representing local law enforcement, the FBI, and TXST then used a deliberative process to identify the 160 active shooter incidents for this study. Researchers from TXST were consulted extensively throughout this analytical effort."
The research body of this study is well respected and peer reviewed. One only needs to look at the bibliography and footnotes in the study to see that these are some of the most respected people in the field.
The site you linked was difficult to read because I had to get past the ads for people magazine, among others. It also described no methodology or peer review. But hey, as long as it fits your confirmation bias, you are free to wallow in your own delusion.
