Furloughee Recall - The Delta Factor

[Furloughedagain]

Following the UAL merger attempt in 2001 there was speculation that Gangwal and Wolf left the airline on "autopilot" while they put all of their efforts into the merger. There was no attempt to grow the airline, or even to compete in the marketplace while they were preoccupied with this "unique corporate transaction".

Today US Airways is already preoccupied with completing the AWA/AAA merger - but there had been a few pilot recalls which gave hope to those further down the list that with upcoming retirements (quite a few over the next decade at AAA) and the E190 launch, more recalls may be forthcoming.

What do you suppose will happen with furloughee recalls now? How many pilots does Delta have on the street? Will the US Airways MEC (east) throw the furloughees under the bus in exchange for a more favorable integration?

Let's not allow the MEC to use furloughed pilots as pawns. Remember the Killer "B"s at American. Call your representative and tell them that furloughed pilots are not currency to be used in negotiations. They are the future of ALPA ... and they will remember.

 

[N924PS]

According to airlinepilotcentral, Delta has only 174 pilots that have not been recalled.

 

[twicefurloughed]

Following the UAL merger attempt in 2001 there was speculation that Gangwal and Wolf left the airline on "autopilot" while they put all of their efforts into the merger. There was no attempt to grow the airline, or even to compete in the marketplace while they were preoccupied with this "unique corporate transaction".

Today US Airways is already preoccupied with completing the AWA/AAA merger - but there had been a few pilot recalls which gave hope to those further down the list that with upcoming retirements (quite a few over the next decade at AAA) and the E190 launch, more recalls may be forthcoming.

What do you suppose will happen with furloughee recalls now? How many pilots does Delta have on the street? Will the US Airways MEC (east) throw the furloughees under the bus in exchange for a more favorable integration?

Let's not allow the MEC to use furloughed pilots as pawns. Remember the Killer "B"s at American. Call your representative and tell them that furloughed pilots are not currency to be used in negotiations. They are the future of ALPA ... and they will remember.

I was wondering the same thing. Here are two questions I sent to the Q&A section on the Hub. Hopefully they may be posted this coming Friday with an answer.
Question #1:
How will the Delta Merger affect the present furlough list? There is a similar question posted and the answer reads that some furloughed flight attendants and pilots have already been recalled, but there are still others that have not. Could you address this group of people? Will the merger with Delta reduce the chance of East furloughed flight attendants to be recalled? Also, I read that 700 pilots have been recalled; is that a typo as I have read it in many different places? Are there only 800 pilots left on the furlough list?
Thanks very much for your time, and especially your consideration to those that still remain on the furlough list.

Question #2:
Hi Doug,
Before US Airways buys/acquires Delta spending $8 billion, would it be at all possible to grow our airline just a bit to recall those of us on US Airways East furlough list? In reality, there are probably a few hundred total that would return from furlough, and it would be a 'take care of our employees' grand gesture before moving forward to being the largest airline ever!
Those of us on furlough have also given a lot, our jobs! And those of us that came back to fly the EMB170 at Mid-Atlantic, gave our jobs twice.
I realize good business is about money, but people certainly are some part of the equation. How much money would it take to delete the furlough list? What would our airline gain by having excellent morale amongst all employees?
Thank you for this Q&A forum and crew news. I read and listen to both from "furlough land", although I feel left out, I keep waiting and listening to hear any murmur that I might be able to work again at US AIRWAYS.
Thank you for reading my question. I look forward to reading a response.

 

[autofixer]

The company is flying us to death, to keep from recalling. Every month they are using the 90 to 95 hour flying option to keep from recalling. The airline is short pilots, but Doug wants it that way on the East side for some reason. Lucky for him the weather has been pretty good, thus far. I am tired and I am sure everyone else is too. We are not 24 years old on the East side anymore. It looks like I will be gone from home 19 twentyfour hour periods this month. I do not know how long they can run the airline on a "shoe string" staff, but they are requiring 95 hours in December and January again. All we can do is fly extremely safe and hope for the best.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Good questions, and the answers will be interesting.....

My guesses:

Also, I read that 700 pilots have been recalled; is that a typo as I have read it in many different places?

Either

- creative phrasing. Possibly 700 have been offered recall (or jobs at West per the transition agreement) in order to fill the available positions (much less than 700)

Or

- creative counting. Including J4J positions (hey - the plane says "US Airways" on the side), counting some recalls twice (recalled to MDA, furloughed, recalled to mainline (East or a job at West per the TA), etc.

Before US Airways buys/acquires Delta spending $8 billion, would it be at all possible to grow our airline just a bit to recall those of us on US Airways East furlough list?

Since the info given out on the DL merger shows the US fleet shrinking 15%, I wouldn't count on much growth (most unfortunately).

Jim

 

[Elevation]

For the life of me I can't see when the furloughed are still wanting to come back. They will be at the bottom of 10,000+ pilots, intergration of delta won't happen until 2009 then there will possibly be furloughs along with stagnation/downgrades. There will be recalls for the next year but how long will they be on property? Good luck to all involved.

 

[optimator]

For the life of me I can't see when the furloughed are still wanting to come back. They will be at the bottom of 10,000+ pilots, intergration of delta won't happen until 2009 then for [/quote]

Cuz we ain't got no jobs!

 

[nostradamus]

For the life of me I can't see when the furloughed are still wanting to come back. They will be at the bottom of 10,000+ pilots, intergration of delta won't happen until 2009 then there will possibly be furloughs along with stagnation/downgrades. There will be recalls for the next year but how long will they be on property? Good luck to all involved.

If someone wants to be a airline pilot, your plan b suggestion please.

 

[twicefurloughed]

For the life of me I can't see when the furloughed are still wanting to come back. They will be at the bottom of 10,000+ pilots, intergration of delta won't happen until 2009 then there will possibly be furloughs along with stagnation/downgrades. There will be recalls for the next year but how long will they be on property? Good luck to all involved.

Let's trade places. Then maybe, you will figure out the answer.

 

[careerfurloughee]

If someone wants to be a airline pilot, your plan b suggestion please.

It might be time to examine how your wants are lining up with reality.

 

[algflyr]

Let's trade places. Then maybe, you will figure out the answer.

That would go against the "I have mine" attitude so prevalent in this indusrty....

 

[flyguy121]

I was wondering the same thing. Here are two questions I sent to the Q&A section on the Hub. Hopefully they may be posted this coming Friday with an answer.
Question #1:
How will the Delta Merger affect the present furlough list? There is a similar question posted and the answer reads that some furloughed flight attendants and pilots have already been recalled, but there are still others that have not. Could you address this group of people? Will the merger with Delta reduce the chance of East furloughed flight attendants to be recalled? Also, I read that 700 pilots have been recalled; is that a typo as I have read it in many different places? Are there only 800 pilots left on the furlough list?
Thanks very much for your time, and especially your consideration to those that still remain on the furlough list.

Question #2:
Hi Doug,
Before US Airways buys/acquires Delta spending $8 billion, would it be at all possible to grow our airline just a bit to recall those of us on US Airways East furlough list? In reality, there are probably a few hundred total that would return from furlough, and it would be a 'take care of our employees' grand gesture before moving forward to being the largest airline ever!
Those of us on furlough have also given a lot, our jobs! And those of us that came back to fly the EMB170 at Mid-Atlantic, gave our jobs twice.
I realize good business is about money, but people certainly are some part of the equation. How much money would it take to delete the furlough list? What would our airline gain by having excellent morale amongst all employees?
Thank you for this Q&A forum and crew news. I read and listen to both from "furlough land", although I feel left out, I keep waiting and listening to hear any murmur that I might be able to work again at US AIRWAYS.
Thank you for reading my question. I look forward to reading a response.

twicefurloughed-

These were great questions ...did you ever receive a response from anyone in Tempe?

 

[twicefurloughed]

twicefurloughed-

These were great questions ...did you ever receive a response from anyone in Tempe?

Hi Flyguy121,
Yes I did receive a reply, but my question was not posted in the Q&A section. At least, not yet. Maybe because I got one of those non-answers. Reply was that they just don't have an answer for me re: the furlough list. They stated they were sorry and realized that leaves thousands of people in limbo, but it was just too early to know what will happen with the furlough list, recalls, etc.

re: '700 pilot recalls' that was reported incorrectly and should have been 700 employee recalls.

Re: my 2nd Question concerning recalls and Delta merger and maybe growing the airline to call back furloughees. Answer was: as far as they can tell, recalls will continue independent of Delta plans. Unfortunately, it wouldn't be a huge number of pilot recalls but they expected a few dozen in the coming months. so maybe it wasn't the grand gesture I was looking for...but isn't any hiring/rehiring rather 'grand' in our industry?
And if Delta did happen, it would be a good thing in the long run for employees.

So those were the answers, and it didn't seem like anything new to report. What do you think?

 

[cltflyguy]

A friend of mine with delta told me that they are calling back 1,000 f/as. Training was to start this month. Some of this recall was due to the expansion of their international flying is what he said.

I guess if usairways was to recall f/a's atleast youd have your foot in the door as being "active" should the merger happen. I know my friends hire date thats getting recalled with Delta is March of 2000. We have people senior to that on furlough now! But hey..atleast
recalls do actually happen!! B)