Fire Drill

[eolesen]

Is this the same mentality that says that Christians don't vote Democrat?

Anyone who claims that is pretty ignorant of the various factions in Christianity.

When you factor out single issues like gay marriage & abortion, you'll find United Church of Christ, Evangelical Lutherans, and Episcipalians tend to be more socially liberal and support Democrats; Southern Baptists, Mormons, Missouri Lutherans, Assemblies of God tend to be far more conservative and support Republicans.

Within large denominations, it goes both ways so to speak... Ike, Reagan, Bob Dole, Walter Mondale, LLoyd Bentsen, and David Letterman are/were members of Presbyterian congregations.

I don't think you'd get Dole & Mondale to agree on much anymore except the usefulness of Viagra...

The same type of split shows up in the Catholic, United Methodist and American Baptist Churches.

 

[eolesen]

Is this the same mentality that says that Christians don't vote Democrat?

Anyone who claims that is pretty ignorant of the various factions in Christianity.

When you factor out single issues like gay marriage & abortion, you'll find United Church of Christ, Evangelical Lutherans, and Episcipalians tend to be more socially liberal and support Democrats; Southern Baptists, Mormons, Missouri Lutherans, Assemblies of God tend to be far more conservative and support Republicans.

Within large denominations, it goes both ways so to speak... Ike, Reagan, Bob Dole, Walter Mondale, LLoyd Bentsen, and David Letterman are/were members of Presbyterian congregations.

I don't think you'd get Dole & Mondale to agree on much anymore except the usefulness of Viagra...

The same type of split shows up in the Catholic, United Methodist and American Baptist Churches.

 

[AANOTOK]

Anyone who claims that is pretty ignorant of the various factions in Christianity.

When you factor out single issues like gay marriage & abortion, you'll find United Church of Christ, Evangelical Lutherans, and Episcipalians tend to be more socially liberal and support Democrats; Southern Baptists, Mormons, Missouri Lutherans, Assemblies of God tend to be far more conservative and support Republicans.

Within large denominations, it goes both ways so to speak... Ike, Reagan, Bob Dole, Walter Mondale, LLoyd Bentsen, and David Letterman are/were members of Presbyterian congregations.

I don't think you'd get Dole & Mondale to agree on much anymore except the usefulness of Viagra...

The same type of split shows up in the Catholic, United Methodist and American Baptist Churches.

Here is the OP's original comment/question. (below in bold)

The above is the latest response. I say nary a soul should ever complain about "off topic" or "thread hijack"

"AA TULE had a fire drill in hanger 5 yesterday for the first time since..... forever. Looks like they are getting ready for some disgruntled employees. Also, an ex hanger 5 crew chief (I'm not going to mention any names but, his name starts with an S and rhymes with Sparky) was nice enough to share his opinion about the worthlessness of Fleet Service. He then highlighted his opinion that we make too much money and that he was glad to see us on the chopping block at the base. Then gloated about how TULE would be a ghost town but that would be great for him because he will be able to capitalize on overtime since he will be one of the few mechanics left. Mr. name that starts with an S and rhymes with Sparky you sure put the YOU in YOUnion."

 

[enough already]

Anyone who claims that is pretty ignorant of the various factions in Christianity.

When you factor out single issues like gay marriage & abortion, you'll find United Church of Christ, Evangelical Lutherans, and Episcipalians tend to be more socially liberal and support Democrats; Southern Baptists, Mormons, Missouri Lutherans, Assemblies of God tend to be far more conservative and support Republicans.

Within large denominations, it goes both ways so to speak... Ike, Reagan, Bob Dole, Walter Mondale, LLoyd Bentsen, and David Letterman are/were members of Presbyterian congregations.

I don't think you'd get Dole & Mondale to agree on much anymore except the usefulness of Viagra...

The same type of split shows up in the Catholic, United Methodist and American Baptist Churches.

Umm, my point exactly?

 

[TWU informer]

Here is the OP's original comment/question. (below in bold)

The above is the latest response. I say nary a soul should ever complain about "off topic" or "thread hijack"

"AA TULE had a fire drill in hanger 5 yesterday for the first time since..... forever. Looks like they are getting ready for some disgruntled employees. Also, an ex hanger 5 crew chief (I'm not going to mention any names but, his name starts with an S and rhymes with Sparky) was nice enough to share his opinion about the worthlessness of Fleet Service. He then highlighted his opinion that we make too much money and that he was glad to see us on the chopping block at the base. Then gloated about how TULE would be a ghost town but that would be great for him because he will be able to capitalize on overtime since he will be one of the few mechanics left. Mr. name that starts with an S and rhymes with Sparky you sure put the YOU in YOUnion."

Yes but can you read?

It was Tom Barry who hijacked the thread into politics not "e"

 

[FWAAA]

By voting to approve Prop 8, Christians in California helped to overturn the CA Supreme Court's decision that recognized a right to same-gender marriage. Guess where that Christian support was highest: Yep, in African-American and Latino communities, both of which are much more religious than other Californians. Not surprisingly, African-Americans and Latinos in CA tend to support Democrats in State and National elections (most local elections are nominally non-partisan, but the winners tend to be Democrats). Both groups tend to be heavily unionized as well. On some issues, they're typical liberals. On others, their religious beliefs influence their voting and they look rather conservative.

Not all Christians are right-wing, red-state, hunting and fishing gun nuts. Millions of them are brown or black and live in CA.

Bears: what does the move of the corporate HQ from NYC to DFW have to do with anything? That couldn't have been more than a few hundred people, including top execs and their support staffs. Lots of blue-collar working men and women were already toiling in TUL and DFW when HQ moved.

 

[AANOTOK]

Yes but can you read?

It was Tom Barry who hijacked the thread into politics not "e"

Yes informer, I can read. Can you comprehend?

If you can read, did you see where I stated "nary a soul should ever complain about "off topic" or "hijack thread".
Let me help you out informer, it means those who post off topic should not complain about people posting off topic.
That includes all posters informer, not just e.

Now go work on your "New Union" drive and leave me alone!

 

[eolesen]

The above is the latest response. I say nary a soul should ever complain about "off topic" or "thread hijack"

Perhaps, but it's a somewhat logical progression...

1. OP says that "Sparky" is willing to throw a subset of union members under the bus to save his own arse
2. Bears pops up longing for days of unionism past, and claims there are no real union members in OK
3. Bears takes a metaphor & in one line whitewashes the voting habits of the religious

My point (and that of some other posters) is that it's pretty ignorant to think that you can gauge how committed someone is to unionism based on where they live, how they vote, or what faith they choose to follow.


FWAAA, the move from NYC to DFW didn't involve more than a thousand people. AA simply wasn't all that big at the time, and AA still had a lot of functions (i.e. sales & HR) which stayed regionalized in NYC, LAX, and CHI.

As DFW grew, there were probably another couple hundred who chose to move as a way to escape NYC and make a better life for their families. Same thing when MIA & RDU opened up.

It's possible that as some union members eyes were opened up to the realities of RTW and something other than "NYC is the center of the universe" attitudes, their stances on certain things changed.

What's more likely is that attitudes have changed because of the radical changes the industry has gone thru. Some people choose to continue living with a view of how things were pre-deregulation, or how things were under Crandall. Others have learned the lessons of EA, PA, BN, etc....

 

[Vortilon]

Unionism down to 13% ?
WHERE ??????.......................TUL/OKC/DFW/IAH............or...........NYC/BOS/PHL/DTW ????????

REAL Union Men........Do NOT vote Republican........PERIOD !!!!!

Trouble is Tommy Boy, most of your so called Democrats are flat out commies. They claim to be pro labor; however, I think your party has been hijacked by single issue victims. All of which want the government to solve all their problems. Make some more restrictive laws, and tax us some more. That's what we need. I haven't found a perfect political party yet, but it damn sure isn't the Democratic/Progressive party. BTW that last one is just code for communist party as is the green party.

 

[AANOTOK]

Perhaps, but it's a somewhat logical progression...

1. OP says that "Sparky" is willing to throw a subset of union members under the bus to save his own arse
2. Bears pops up longing for days of unionism past, and claims there are no real union members in OK
3. Bears takes a metaphor & in one line whitewashes the voting habits of the religious

My point (and that of some other posters) is that it's pretty ignorant to think that you can gauge how committed someone is to unionism based on where they live, how they vote, or what faith they choose to follow.


FWAAA, the move from NYC to DFW didn't involve more than a thousand people. AA simply wasn't all that big at the time, and AA still had a lot of functions (i.e. sales & HR) which stayed regionalized in NYC, LAX, and CHI.

As DFW grew, there were probably another couple hundred who chose to move as a way to escape NYC and make a better life for their families. Same thing when MIA & RDU opened up.

It's possible that as some union members eyes were opened up to the realities of RTW and something other than "NYC is the center of the universe" attitudes, their stances on certain things changed.

What's more likely is that attitudes have changed because of the radical changes the industry has gone thru. Some people choose to continue living with a view of how things were pre-deregulation, or how things were under Crandall. Others have learned the lessons of EA, PA, BN, etc....

You know what e, fair enough. Although I still think it ranks as off topic, your explanation obviously has some merit.

 

[tom barry]

OK fellow posters.
Real union men Do NOT vote for a political party (think REPUGS) that is anti-labor, more outsourcing, RTW etc.

Now I can't WAIT to read the re-buttals !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Now lets see, when was the last time there was a significant STRIKE in OK. or TX. ????

E, yes, I'll "fess up" to yearning for the union days of Yore !

 

[Buck]

OK fellow posters.
Real union men Do NOT vote for a political party (think REPUGS) that is anti-labor, more outsourcing, RTW etc.

Now I can't WAIT to read the re-buttals !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Now lets see, when was the last time there was a significant STRIKE in OK. or TX. ????

E, yes, I'll "fess up" to yearning for the union days of Yore !

Since I work at AA. I believe that would be 1968.

 

[TWU informer]

OK fellow posters.
Real union men Do NOT vote for a political party (think REPUGS) that is anti-labor, more outsourcing, RTW etc.

Now I can't WAIT to read the re-buttals !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Now lets see, when was the last time there was a significant STRIKE in OK. or TX. ????

E, yes, I'll "fess up" to yearning for the union days of Yore !

Real Union Men do not rely on any Poltical Party.

Real Union Men would not attack or blame other workers based on where they live.

Real Union Men cause the laws to be written with action, not trying to buy access and favors with money taken from workers paychecks.

And you are none of the above.

Truth is you are a coward and either have to rely on someone else to take action, or blame someone else to keep your own self esteem above ground level because you have not the balls to take action yourself.