Express Pay Cuts
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WestCoastGuy
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I hope they wont be subject to those cuts....geeze...that would put them at about 6 bucks hourly. :blink:
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I have only read about MDA and Mainline Express not being included in the 23%.
I am not sure about the W/O Express employees, but one can only hope they are not included as well. With the way things are going, they may as well just make everyone the same again and do away with MDA and Express. The Mainline people are going to be taken down near Express rates anyway.
I am not sure about the W/O Express employees, but one can only hope they are not included as well. With the way things are going, they may as well just make everyone the same again and do away with MDA and Express. The Mainline people are going to be taken down near Express rates anyway.
In this past Sunday's (Salisbury) Daily Times newspaperWestCoastGuy said:
AIRLINE CREW SCHEDULERS
Piedmont Airlines/US Airways Express will be conducting Open interview sessions on Wednesday, 10/13/04 at 2 p.m. at the Piedmont Airlines Corpoate Office at the Salisbury-Wicomico regional Airport to fill immediate openings for Flight Crew Schedulers. The position requires working with over 700 pilots and flight attendants in daily schedule adjustments. Qualifications include excellent communication skills and the ability to work a rotating shift schedule either 4:15 a.m. to 2:15 p.m. or 2 p.m. to midnight that will include working all days of the week, holidays and overtime.
Starting pay is $9.50 an hour. we also include a full benefits package. Interested candidates shouod bring their resume and be seated by the time indicated above. Professional attire is appropriate.
Harry Callahan
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What a friggin joke
Prince of PAWOBs
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I got my handy-dandy calculator out to determine what a PSA customer service agent would make after a 23% pay cut:
An agent at a station other than PIT starts at $6.27/hr. After the cut, they would make $4.83. Unlikely, of course, because it's below the Federal Minimum Wage.
PIT agents get an extra 50 cents to start, so after the cut they would make $5.21/hr.
This excludes the agents at STL, because their situation is unique.
An agent with 2-3 years of service at PSA in PIT after the 23% cut would make about what someone starting now does without it.
So, if you are grousing about a 23% pay cut (which you are justified in doing, IMO), keep in mind what it means to someone at PSA who can barely exist as it is now. Unless they are offered massive amounts of overtime, and they work every available OT shift, chances are good that a lot of stations will eventually have very little staffing, and those who stay would be the most senior and most willing to deal with such a hit to their pay.
Now, I don't know if this potential cut would actually be applied against PSA CSA's, but seeing as how things continue to look bleak for everyone, you never know what the company might consider to save a few pennies.
An agent at a station other than PIT starts at $6.27/hr. After the cut, they would make $4.83. Unlikely, of course, because it's below the Federal Minimum Wage.
PIT agents get an extra 50 cents to start, so after the cut they would make $5.21/hr.
This excludes the agents at STL, because their situation is unique.
An agent with 2-3 years of service at PSA in PIT after the 23% cut would make about what someone starting now does without it.
So, if you are grousing about a 23% pay cut (which you are justified in doing, IMO), keep in mind what it means to someone at PSA who can barely exist as it is now. Unless they are offered massive amounts of overtime, and they work every available OT shift, chances are good that a lot of stations will eventually have very little staffing, and those who stay would be the most senior and most willing to deal with such a hit to their pay.
Now, I don't know if this potential cut would actually be applied against PSA CSA's, but seeing as how things continue to look bleak for everyone, you never know what the company might consider to save a few pennies.
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I spoke with a relative this morning who works as an agent for Piedmont (wholly owned for those who don't know) They were told yesterday by their supervisors/management that they will NOT be affected by these pay cuts.
Can anyone verify this?
From my experience, supervisors tend to not know much themselves but feel the need to just keep the peace (and a riot from breaking out).
Can anyone verify this?
From my experience, supervisors tend to not know much themselves but feel the need to just keep the peace (and a riot from breaking out).
Light Years
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Prince of PAWOBs said:
What's the situation at STL? I think the mainline agents went mainline express... whats the PSA situation? Just curious.
A friend of mine did the math and 23% of MDA F/A pay would be below federal minimum wage, so obviously PSA and PDT would be the same for F/As.
The same would go for agents for PSA/PSA/PDT... there's not enough over federal minimum wage for starters for any double digit cut.
They'd all make less than those poor kids overseas who were making Kathie Lee's Wal-Mart sweaters.
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Here's my 2 cents worth, FWIW....
The company's motion address the 5 unions on the property that received 1113e proposals and addresses the question of who is included individually by union. This is taken directly from that motion:
ALPA (excluding MDA), AFA (excluding MDA), CWA (excluding MidAtlantic Airways or Mainline Express CWA-represented employees), IAM Mechanics & related (no exclusions), and IAM Fleet Service (including MidAtlantic Airways and Mainline Express).
So if you're W/O'ed and your union didn't get a 1113e notice, you're apparently off the hook. If you're mainline (including MDA and mainline express) and your union got the notice but you're in one of the exceptions for your union, you're off the hook.
Of course, the judge can rule anyway he wants. And non-union have no recourse anyway - the company can do whatever it wants with you.
Jim
The company's motion address the 5 unions on the property that received 1113e proposals and addresses the question of who is included individually by union. This is taken directly from that motion:
ALPA (excluding MDA), AFA (excluding MDA), CWA (excluding MidAtlantic Airways or Mainline Express CWA-represented employees), IAM Mechanics & related (no exclusions), and IAM Fleet Service (including MidAtlantic Airways and Mainline Express).
So if you're W/O'ed and your union didn't get a 1113e notice, you're apparently off the hook. If you're mainline (including MDA and mainline express) and your union got the notice but you're in one of the exceptions for your union, you're off the hook.
Of course, the judge can rule anyway he wants. And non-union have no recourse anyway - the company can do whatever it wants with you.
Jim
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Light Years said:
The situation may have been rectified already, but I don't have any current information. It was my understanding that PSA gave a top-out wage to those mainline employees already working there in order to keep STL running. This angered a lot of agents in PIT, not only because it flew in the face of their contract with PSA, but also because no one was offered the opportunity to transfer to STL. Considering what PIT agents make, it would have been a windfall to work for a much higher wage in STL. On top of that, the PIT agents already know what they are doing, which would have prevented training, misloading, scheduling and hiring headaches until a local workforce could be trained (and then brought into the IBT).
Like I implied earlier, the situation may have already changed in STL. The topic, unfortunately, doesn't seem to come up much anymore. Same with SDQ and any of the other new PSA stations. Instead, there is a huge push to get soon-to-be furloughed PIT agents to take jobs with Piedmont in PHL. Personally, I would rather change careers than consider that option from what I've heard about working in PHL.
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Prince of PAWOBs said:
But even working for minimum wage, one has to factor in the glamour aspect of working for the airlines. Management thinks we should be paying them for the privilege. :blink:
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nycbusdriver said:
LOL! I won't disagree with nyc on this point at all.
I will say that working for an airline is pretty cool. When you tell someone who doesn't work for one that you do, you tend to get all sorts of questions about what you've seen and where you've been.
The downside is that they are usually aware of the financial situation of the airline that you work for, too. So, invariably you get asked, "What are you going to do when you lose your job?" That's when I try to change subjects toward something not related to aviation.
Management should be kissing our feet everytime we save them from disaster.
