E190's going bye bye?
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I've spent about 8000 hours on them, they are tired and have a lot of operational issues. I agree with your A319 point, but they took the cheap way.
ManDachine
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- Feb 4, 2004
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Parker is going to hold that as leverage during negotiations!
Dog Wonder
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Given past practice, starting with getting the 'right' people on the bus and running who is left over with it.
The 190s will go to Republic.
The 190s will go to Republic.
You don't think Parker doesn't already have leverage?!?!!?
He's got USAPA's NAC sitting and spinning.
USstew23
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Yeah they'll go to Republic so they can fly them as Midwest and continue to grow on the backs of all of the mainline employees across the industry while continuing to lower the bar for pay and quality of life!! It better be a cold day in hell that Republic get's there grubby little paws on those airplanes no mattter if it's to fly as Express or for someone else (ie Midwset, Frontier). Someone needs to take a serious look at the fact that Republic is now a competitor since they are purchasing Midwest and Frontier. You're either an express affiliate or a stand alone airline, NOT both!! If these idiots in Tempe get by with selling the 190's to Republic or anyone else for that matter I sure as hell hope the employees of US Airways (both East and West) revolt like never before!! The 190 fleet needs to grow and bring back some jobs. I don't care who likes to work it or not... It's JOB that needs to stay here!!
Some little voice in my head (besides the ones already there lol) is telling me this has something to do with the fact that the pilots filed a grievence with the company over the fact that express is flying 18 86 seat aircraft too many.
Dog Wonder
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The next move is burning furniture to power air conditioning in Tempe.
We do that out here all the time.
Twicebaked
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What a liar Parker is!!!!!!!
I just watched the PHX Pilot crew news session dated JULY 21st and he told some junior pilot that NO ONE in the company is currently working on reducing the company size as he didn't see it as being a profitable move. (my paraphrasing)
AND not but 2 days JULY 23rd he and Kirby tell analysts that they are researching getting rid of the E 190 fleet to reduce available seats!!!!!!!! What the he##? Isn't that "shrinking" the airline???? Are we that stupid that we don't know what that all means?
Just like Wolfe, Seigel, and Lakefield before.... typical CEO that does not respect their employees and lies right to their faces.
I guess there is no merger coming either... mmmmmmmm
I just watched the PHX Pilot crew news session dated JULY 21st and he told some junior pilot that NO ONE in the company is currently working on reducing the company size as he didn't see it as being a profitable move. (my paraphrasing)
AND not but 2 days JULY 23rd he and Kirby tell analysts that they are researching getting rid of the E 190 fleet to reduce available seats!!!!!!!! What the he##? Isn't that "shrinking" the airline???? Are we that stupid that we don't know what that all means?
Just like Wolfe, Seigel, and Lakefield before.... typical CEO that does not respect their employees and lies right to their faces.
I guess there is no merger coming either... mmmmmmmm
phllax
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Instead of getting rid of the most versatile (and comfortable) aircraft in the fleet, why not just get rid of more 300's on both sides and more west 757's.
Everything I've heard and read so far suggests that they are only studying the elimination of the E190 fleet as an option to quickly reduce capacity if economic conditions worsen or remain the same for an extended period of time WITHOUT affecting the minimum fleet count. I haven't seen or heard anything to suggest it's something they're going to do. Only that they are looking at it as one option out of many.
I know that I'm personally not thrilled about the idea but I do understand why they are looking at the option. Businesses do this type of thing all the time. They look at ways to reduce costs, gain efficiencies or boost balance sheets in this kind of operating enviroment. Here's hoping they go with other ideas first before resorting to this one.
I know that I'm personally not thrilled about the idea but I do understand why they are looking at the option. Businesses do this type of thing all the time. They look at ways to reduce costs, gain efficiencies or boost balance sheets in this kind of operating enviroment. Here's hoping they go with other ideas first before resorting to this one.
Poug Darker
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Guys, this has nothing to do with capacity. Hell, the LF out there is 88%...try non-revving lately? It's all about $$$. The press has asserted that LCC has the weakest balance sheet and is the most likely to fail. Parker's just showing an ace up his sleeve. Yea, I got these 25 airframes I got a good deal on, and I can sell 'em for more than I paid for 'em. Let's see...25 times 30-40 million.....
It's probably more about FEAR, i.e., a bargaining chip, a lever to be used in contract negotiations with BOTH pilots and flight attendants.
Bottom line is if the co needs the cash, the 190's go, but must be repainted - can't be run for "US Cactus Mesa-Grande Airways". I think Republic would buy them in a hearbeat and would throw them on Midwest X. (Although, for about the same amount of cash, BBedford could buy the whole shebang seeing LCC's market cap is around 250-300 million...)
Cheers
It's probably more about FEAR, i.e., a bargaining chip, a lever to be used in contract negotiations with BOTH pilots and flight attendants.
Bottom line is if the co needs the cash, the 190's go, but must be repainted - can't be run for "US Cactus Mesa-Grande Airways". I think Republic would buy them in a hearbeat and would throw them on Midwest X. (Although, for about the same amount of cash, BBedford could buy the whole shebang seeing LCC's market cap is around 250-300 million...)
Cheers
