E190's going bye bye?

[Elevation]

On the conference call for the 2nd Qtr. sounds like the 190's could be on the chopping block.

 

[UPNAWAY]

Just guessing but I am betting Labor contracts might have wiggle room on the E190s. Otherwise they are about at the maximum of minimums.

 

[hp-csr-phx]

Is there anything in the TA to keep the company from selling the E-190's to Republic, and then having them fly for us; ie MidAtlantic???

 

[ableoneable]

Is there anything in the TA to keep the company from selling the E-190's to Republic, and then having them fly for us; ie MidAtlantic???

Scope.

The company can shut down the 190 operation and sell the airplanes but they can not outsource the 190s. That airplane gets operated in-house or not at all.

 

[Elevation]

Republic operating 190's for US Airways would be a scope violation unless there is a agreement (i.e. jet for jobs ver2.0) How many furloughs for pilots/fa's/mech etc would this generate if they sold all 25 a/c? 500+?

 

[wings396]

I always thought it was stupid idea to get them in the first place. Getting rid of a bunch of good Boeing 737's only to add another type of A/C to the fleet made no sense at all.

 

[Pi brat]

I always thought it was stupid idea to get them in the first place. Getting rid of a bunch of good Boeing 737's only to add another type of A/C to the fleet made no sense at all.

You must have not been on a 737 in a while. They used to be good............

 

[Biztraveler]

Getting rid of the E190 would hurt all of us. The 190's aren't included in the Min. Equipment list, so there would be more pilot and flight attendant furloughs to come.

 

[usa1]

Republic pilot told me that the 190 scope is running out and that they are going to start flying them for US. I don't know if he knows what he's talking about or not. He said the scope language runs out after two years.

 

[Elevation]

Scope is in both pilots contracts and in the Transition Agreement. Scope does not expire but can be adjusted by agreement with the parties involved.

Also Parker said they won't need a replacement for them because this is a capacity reduction move (-2.5%) not a liquidity driven decision. There may be RJ's flying these 190 routes but it won't be an increase in fleet for the RJ provider just a schedule realignment. We'll see....

 

[Dog Wonder]

Somebody listened to the call?

 

[wings396]

You must have not been on a 737 in a while. They used to be good............

Actually, I just flew a few trips on the 400's. They were very clean and well kept all around. It would have been MUCH cheaper to spruce the 733's a bit instead of introducing another type of A/C into the fleet. If the company really wanted to streamline the fleet, they could have just added more 319's.

 

[boeingplt]

On the conference call for the 2nd Qtr. sounds like the 190's could be on the chopping block.

Not sure where you got that. You can google US Airways earnings call transcripts, I did and saw no reference to 190's going. The only thing about fleet composition came from Derek Kerr.

"We did end the quarter with 347 mainline aircraft and air fleet and still plan on having 351 aircraft by the end of 2009. We continue to replace our older 737 and 757 aircraft with new more fuel efficient aircraft, which will reduce cost over time. In the first quarter, we did return five A320s, two 737-300s, and two 757 aircraft, and we took delivery of two A321 aircraft. For the remainder of the year, we plan to retire 20 aircraft; 13 75s, six 73s, and one A320, and add 23 new aircraft. And I’ll talk about financing for those deliveries in a little bit."

 

[boeingplt]

Not sure where you got that. You can google US Airways earnings call transcripts, I did and saw no reference to 190's going. The only thing about fleet composition came from Derek Kerr.

"We did end the quarter with 347 mainline aircraft and air fleet and still plan on having 351 aircraft by the end of 2009. We continue to replace our older 737 and 757 aircraft with new more fuel efficient aircraft, which will reduce cost over time. In the first quarter, we did return five A320s, two 737-300s, and two 757 aircraft, and we took delivery of two A321 aircraft. For the remainder of the year, we plan to retire 20 aircraft; 13 75s, six 73s, and one A320, and add 23 new aircraft. And I’ll talk about financing for those deliveries in a little bit."

I stand corrected on the 190 discussion. Reread the transcript and saw the bit about an analysis. Nothing we can do about it but not cave on scope so they cant fly them for US at express. Additionally I don't know that the discussion was anything more than a "what if" incase things get worse in the market.

 

[Kieran]

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