Do you care about georgia ?

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

If REAL careful thought is given to the Georgian-Putin-USSR fiasco, we should have realized some years ago, that the USA would find itself in a (russian) pickle.

After all, Mr Bush-assured us-all not to worry since "HE" looked into Putin eyes, and KNEW his soul !

 

[El Che]

Sadly, the dumbed down american sheeple are so preoccupied with idiocy and status that I'm sure many think Atlanta is burning again.
The truth is starting to come out after the initial anti Russian onslaught by the corporate controlled western media. The facts are that there are U.S and Israeli "advisers" attached to the Georgian Army, it is Georgia who initially killed 30 Russian soldiers and attacked South Ossetia and provoked the ire of the Russian bear. OORRAH POBIEDA!
Now Georgia is acting like the victim; like the annoying little brother who after constantly provoking an older sibbling gets whacked and then runs crying to mommy.
The installation of missiles in Poland is something that should concern us all. I don't think Ivan will sit idly by while the U.S. sorrounds him with missiles. Like someone else posted, I can picture Russian bombers 90 miles away in Cuba. Of course Bush doesn't care. If there's an nuclear exchange he'll be safe. He's already bought almost 100.000 acres of land in Paraguay;far enough away from any fallout. :down:

 

[777 fixer]

Sadly, the dumbed down american sheeple are so preoccupied with idiocy and status that I'm sure many think Atlanta is burning again.
The truth is starting to come out after the initial anti Russian onslaught by the corporate controlled western media. The facts are that there are U.S and Israeli "advisers" attached to the Georgian Army, it is Georgia who initially killed 30 Russian soldiers and attacked South Ossetia and provoked the ire of the Russian bear. OORRAH POBIEDA!
Now Georgia is acting like the victim; like the annoying little brother who after constantly provoking an older sibbling gets whacked and then runs crying to mommy.
The installation of missiles in Poland is something that should concern us all. I don't think Ivan will sit idly by while the U.S. sorrounds him with missiles. Like someone else posted, I can picture Russian bombers 90 miles away in Cuba. Of course Bush doesn't care. If there's an nuclear exchange he'll be safe. He's already bought almost 100.000 acres of land in Paraguay;far enough away from any fallout. :down:

This coming from the same person who is an apologist for the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Yes El Che, I'm sure the Soviets wanted people to believe that they were just protecting themselves from Afghan aggression but the truth is very different. You accuse people of believing corporate media. All I have to say is who's Kool Aid are you drinking?

The Georgians seriously miscalculated the Russian response. All they had to do is open up their history books to see what was going to happen. When it comes right down to it what's the difference between the Georgia’s actions in South Ossetia and those of Russia in Chechnya? Both are technically part of the two countries mentioned. There is one difference, the Georgians acted like choir boys in South Ossetia compared to how the Russians behaved in Chechnya. Although I'm preety sure you will find an excuse for them.

 

[Cosworth]

I found this posted else where. Interesting read.

The Russian invasion of Georgia has not changed the balance of power in Eurasia. It simply announced that the balance of power had already shifted. The United States has been absorbed in its wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as potential conflict with Iran and a destabilizing situation in Pakistan. It has no strategic ground forces in reserve and is in no position to intervene on the Russian periphery. This, as we have argued, has opened a window of opportunity for the Russians to reassert their influence in the former Soviet sphere. Moscow did not have to concern itself with the potential response of the United States or Europe; hence, the invasion did not shift the balance of power. The balance of power had already shifted, and it was up to the Russians when to make this public. They did that Aug. 8.

Full Story here.

 

[El Che]

This coming from the same person who is an apologist for the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Yes El Che, I'm sure the Soviets wanted people to believe that they were just protecting themselves from Afghan aggression but the truth is very different. You accuse people of believing corporate media. All I have to say is who's Kool Aid are you drinking?

The Georgians seriously miscalculated the Russian response. All they had to do is open up their history books to see what was going to happen. When it comes right down to it what's the difference between the Georgia’s actions in South Ossetia and those of Russia in Chechnya? Both are technically part of the two countries mentioned. There is one difference, the Georgians acted like choir boys in South Ossetia compared to how the Russians behaved in Chechnya. Although I'm preety sure you will find an excuse for them.

You may spin my words as you wish but I have never defended the Soviets. The whole Charlie Wilson's war scenario is a farce. The provovation of the Soviets to invade Afghanistan was the brain child of Zbigniew Brzezinski, Jimmy Carter's national security advisor in order to keep Ivan busy in a Vietnam type scenario. The Soviets were not saints and deserved the black eye they got; after all, they were supplying the NVA and the VC for years. But this can't be true because its not on Fox or CNN. Right?
Georgia didn't miscalculate anything. They were undoubtedly "advised" into doing what they did in order to measure Russian military response and capabilities, or to distract Russia while preparations for a possible attack on Iran are under way.
Russian behaviour in Chechnya? Who ever said the Russians were anything but tough as nails, ruthless fighters. The U.S. military has been victorious in conflicts against military power houses like Panama, Granada, Iraq. I wonder what the outcome would be if the U.S. ever had to fight the Russians, mano a mano?

 

[Bobbie]

As long as the Georgia in the news isn't the same one with a major Delta Air Lines hub, I could care less. Sovereign nation, deal with their own problems. We have enough issues at home. If their government fails and we have a massive humanitarian disaster, we could provide relief workers as an act of mercy, but I don't like us getting involved in sovereign nations diplomatic problems. Let them work it out on their own.

 

[Pain at the Pump]

As long as the Georgia in the news isn't the same one with a major Delta Air Lines hub, I could care less. Sovereign nation, deal with their own problems. We have enough issues at home. If their government fails and we have a massive humanitarian disaster, we could provide relief workers as an act of mercy, but I don't like us getting involved in sovereign nations diplomatic problems. Let them work it out on their own.

Would Iraq qualify(Bobbie), under your descpition(above) ?

Thank you.

 

[delldude]

I found this posted else where. Interesting read.

The Russian invasion of Georgia has not changed the balance of power in Eurasia. It simply announced that the balance of power had already shifted. The United States has been absorbed in its wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as potential conflict with Iran and a destabilizing situation in Pakistan. It has no strategic ground forces in reserve and is in no position to intervene on the Russian periphery. This, as we have argued, has opened a window of opportunity for the Russians to reassert their influence in the former Soviet sphere. Moscow did not have to concern itself with the potential response of the United States or Europe; hence, the invasion did not shift the balance of power. The balance of power had already shifted, and it was up to the Russians when to make this public. They did that Aug. 8.

Full Story here.

Russia has grown weary of playing second fiddle to the great US......Only a matter of time before Putin or another ex KGB clone took the helm and brings Mother Russia back to her greatness once again.Watch out Europe and the breakaway states.

 

[Bobbie]

Would Iraq qualify(Bobbie), under your descpition(above) ?

Thank you.

Absolutely. For the money we've spent in Iraq, we could have put every American under the age of 25 through a 4 year college and provided them and their parents and grandparents with lifetime health care in the process...and we'd still have billions and billions left over. For years, we've been told that the money just isn't there to do this and do that....well, there it is...we spent it...in under 8 years, we've spent more money than how many administrations prior? Give me a break. This whole war is a handout...setting up SOCIALIST states for people who already had one in the first place.

We've done nothing in Iraq but stir up a lot of people who've been stirred up for thousands of years and it's not going to happen today, tomorrow, or in another thousand years. Other, more established nations (ones around before 1776) recognize that any intervention in that region is purely futile and only gives them someone else to blame but themselves for their failures.

 

[Bobbie]

Oh, and did I mention they spent all that money on foreign CREDIT? laughable.

 

[freedom]

Absolutely. For the money we've spent in Iraq, we could have put every American under the age of 25 through a 4 year college and provided them and their parents and grandparents with lifetime health care in the process...and we'd still have billions and billions left over. For years, we've been told that the money just isn't there to do this and do that....well, there it is...we spent it...in under 8 years, we've spent more money than how many administrations prior? Give me a break. This whole war is a handout...setting up SOCIALIST states for people who already had one in the first place.

We've done nothing in Iraq but stir up a lot of people who've been stirred up for thousands of years and it's not going to happen today, tomorrow, or in another thousand years. Other, more established nations (ones around before 1776) recognize that any intervention in that region is purely futile and only gives them someone else to blame but themselves for their failures.

You are right ….

All of this money wasted , now if we had invaded to secure their countries oil for our own nation , that I could understand … but to invade to “liberate†the people , give me a break …

We should be taking care of our own first … every laser guided missile we wasted blowing something up in Iraq could have been a new school , each new tank could have been increased low cost housing for our poor etc ….

There’s no way in hell we’re going to get involved in Georgia ,I learned my lesson about trusting those people we have in power … I sat by and watched as they emptied our countries coffers ..taken us to the brink of deficit spending … never again ……

 

[delldude]

You are right ….

All of this money wasted , now if we had invaded to secure their countries oil for our own nation , that I could understand … but to invade to “liberate†the people , give me a break …

We should be taking care of our own first … every laser guided missile we wasted blowing something up in Iraq could have been a new school , each new tank could have been increased low cost housing for our poor etc ….

There’s no way in hell we’re going to get involved in Georgia ,I learned my lesson about trusting those people we have in power … I sat by and watched as they emptied our countries coffers ..taken us to the brink of deficit spending … never again ……

Stay tuned...its about to go to hell in a hand basket.....Ivan is coming back....the people of Rosh are going to have their day.

 

[El Che]

Stay tuned...its about to go to hell in a hand basket.....Ivan is coming back....the people of Rosh are going to have their day.

Thats right. I don't think the U.S. and its little puppets want to see the bad side of Rodina (Mother Russia).
OORAH POBIEDA!

 

[tech2101]

You may spin my words as you wish but I have never defended the Soviets.

Really???...

I wonder what the outcome would be if the U.S. ever had to fight the Russians, mano a mano?

Hmmm... :unsure:

 

[El Che]

What's Bush going to do now that he got Ivan riled up?
Big Russian flotilla led by Admiral Kuznetsov carrier heads for Syrian port