Delta opens seven new ramp stations?

[Kev3188]

Can somebody put up a list of all the NWA ramp cities?

I'm sorry I missed this earlier... here ya go:

Station Station
MSP DTW
MEM HNL
IND IAD
LGA PDX
ORD JFK
LAX ANC
MCO PHX
MKE TPA
DCA DFW
LAS BNA
SEA BWI
ATL MSN
BOS MDW
EWR STL
MCI CMH
DEN RSW
GRR FLL
PHL GRB
SFO FNT
IAH MSY


These are M/L staffed both above & below wing. There's no "mixing and matching" at NW stations.

 

[fudgerunyard]

I'm sorry I missed this earlier... here ya go:

Station Station
MSP DTW
MEM HNL
IND IAD
LGA PDX
ORD JFK
LAX ANC
MCO PHX
MKE TPA
DCA DFW
LAS BNA
SEA BWI
ATL MSN
BOS MDW
EWR STL
MCI CMH
DEN RSW
GRR FLL
PHL GRB
SFO FNT
IAH MSY


These are M/L staffed both above & below wing. There's no "mixing and matching" at NW stations.

I was unaware NWA had 40 below-wing stations...is there some sort of metric that dictates which cities are NWA-staffed below wing?, ie. total number of daily flights...?

Also, are there rules on what full time/part time ratios should be in a city? For most DAL cities with underwing employees, it is supposed to be 50/50 full time/part time. A couple DAL cities, JFK and ATL are alloted a full time/part time ratio of 60/40.

 

[700UW]

NW people better realize that a no vote will resort in many closings, time for the IAM to campaign hard to wake up the DL people too.

 

[Delta Technician]

NW people better realize that a no vote will resort in many closings, time for the IAM to campaign hard to wake up the DL people too.

Really? I think a "yes" vote will result in many closings. The pro union people should wake up. We are in a recessionary period. You are really misleading people with your statement. Workers are a dime a dozen.

 

[700UW]

Apparently you dont understand what it means to have a collective bargaining agreement and scope language.

Kevin, does your CBA have the stations listed that must be staffed by IAM members?

Better go educate yourself DT and stop drinking the DL koolaide, DL closed tons of stations and laidoff lots of workers, the IAM at NW was able to save stations and keep people employed.

Lets see NW has 38 ramp stations and DL has 13, wow, big difference, and lets see you said "Workers are a dime a dozen"

The board really sees what you think about the rampers.

 

[Kev3188]

I was unaware NWA had 40 below-wing stations...is there some sort of metric that dictates which cities are NWA-staffed below wing?, ie. total number of daily flights...?

30 mainline and/or Compass departures per week.

They can only outsource if that number drops below 30 and stays there for 9 consecutive months.

Also, are there rules on what full time/part time ratios should be in a city? For most DAL cities with underwing employees, it is supposed to be 50/50 full time/part time. A couple DAL cities, JFK and ATL are alloted a full time/part time ratio of 60/40.

50/50 in line stations, though many have a lot less than that. Mine is currently at ~30% PT...

75/25 in MSP & DTW

Really? I think a "yes" vote will result in many closings. The pro union people should wake up. We are in a recessionary period. You are really misleading people with your statement. Workers are a dime a dozen.

What makes you think it'll result in more closings?

...And if it were to, how is a worker at DL better off during a layoff than one at NW?

Kevin, does your CBA have the stations listed that must be staffed by IAM members?

Yes it does. My list of cities earlier up the thread was a cut and paste from the CBA.

 

[700UW]

Thanks Kev,

You proved my point, will be interesting to see DT's reply.

 

[john john]

The pro union people should wake up.

Good luck to the IAM. Outsourcing mainline work is what management does plain and simple. Management will try every way possible to keep work away for mainline employees. All airlines unions know this notably IAM

 

[jalbalpa]

Why keep a NW or Delta ramper around form $15-20 per hour...when you can outsource it to DGS and hire people at $8 per hour?

Seems like a simple business decision to me...and it WILL happen if you dont have the protection of a contract!

 

[WorldTraveler]

the simple fact is that you get what you pay for. The reason why DL or any other airline has its own people at all is because they do higher quality work than subcontractors - of if they don't they should be fired.

While NW does have a higher percentage of mainline below wing stations, the simple fact is that DL is under no obligation to accept the same terms of the contract that the IAM or any other union has for NW.

DL and NW have very similar labor costs but they come up with them in very different ways, esp. when it comes to ramp service type functions. Assuming that the way it is at NW under a union contract is the way it will be at DL whether a union contract exists or not is faulty thinking.

 

[2BlacknBlue]

Assuming that the way it is at NW under a union contract is the way it will be at DL whether a union contract exists or not is faulty thinking.

...and not having a CBA under this current management regime is career suicide.


2BnB

 

[fudgerunyard]

...and not having a CBA under this current management regime is career suicide.


2BnB

From the antecdotal evidence i've heard...it will all come down to what ATL (and a far lesser degree JFK)decides to do. With nearly 4,000 120 agents in ATL, they could singlehandedly sway the vote. My guess is mother DAL will offer a carrot or 3 right before the vote to turn any momentum the IAM might have gained back in DAL's favor. I take it the IAM has been hitting ATL hard and heavy, as they're not exactly know for being "union-friendly" in Georgia.

 

[Delta Technician]

30 mainline and/or Compass departures per week.

They can only outsource if that number drops below 30 and stays there for 9 consecutive months.



50/50 in line stations, though many have a lot less than that. Mine is currently at ~30% PT...

75/25 in MSP & DTW




What makes you think it'll result in more closings?

...And if it were to, how is a worker at DL better off during a layoff than one at NW?




Yes it does. My list of cities earlier up the thread was a cut and paste from the CBA.

If you have to ask, you don't understand business. This company as well as all others during these times are into saving money any way they can. You should understand this, it is economics 101.

Answer to your second miscue. Both will be merged, if you haven't heard. Go ahead, vote union. You will see worse than the NW mechanics did. You are so easily replaced. You throw bags for christ sake, how hard would it be to replace you? A union is no protection any more. You will see.

 

[700UW]

Once again you show how ignorant you are, apparently you are not educated on unions and the RLA.

If the union is voted in, either the NW CBA will become the Contract or negotiations will take place for a new CBA, DL cannot replace the workers as the Status Quo provisions of the RLA will kick in.

Go educate yourself on the process you so you dont look even more foolish than you are.

Gee I seem to remember when NW filed BK the IAM protected more jobs than were lost and DL did was they pleased.

 

[Kev3188]

If you have to ask, you don't understand business.

I understand it quite well. I wasn't asking in a general sense; I want to know why *you* think it'll happen.

C'mon; dazzle me with your vast knowledge...

Answer to your second miscue. Both will be merged, if you haven't heard. Go ahead, vote union. You will see worse than the NW mechanics did.

You didn't answer the question. I'll dumb it down for you, and ask again; A guy at NW and a guy at DL both get laid off. Knowing the current options available to each, which one do you think has more/better options, and why?

You are so easily replaced. You throw bags for christ sake, how hard would it be to replace you? A union is no protection any more. You will see.

And you allegedly fix ground equipment. What's your point?