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[dapoes]

Nice backpedaling

Obama Aides Tamp Down Expectations
By ADAM NAGOURNEY and JIM RUTENBERG

President-elect Barack Obama has begun an effort to tamp down what his aides fear are unusually high expectations among his supporters, and will remind Americans regularly throughout the transition that the nation’s challenges are substantial and will take time to address.

Mr. Obama’s advisers said they were startled, if gratified, by the jubilation that greeted the news of Mr. Obama’s victory in much of the United States and abroad. But while the energy of his supporters could be a tremendous political asset as Mr. Obama works to enact his agenda after taking office in January, his aides said they were looking to temper hopes that he would be able to solve the nation’s problems or fully reverse Bush administration policies quickly and easily, especially given the prospect of a deep and long-lasting recession.

“We have talked about this,†said Robert Gibbs, a senior adviser to Mr. Obama. “It’s important that everybody understands that this is not going to happen overnight. There has to be a realistic expectation of what can happen and how quickly.â€

Joel Benenson, Mr. Obama’s campaign pollster, said he thought that the public appreciated the problems that the president-elect was facing and would judge him against that backdrop.

“I don’t think they view him as a miracle worker who in two months is going to solve an economic crisis,†Mr. Benenson said. “It is a matter of being straightforward with people about what we are going to achieve and how fast it’s going to take.â€

Mr. Obama will hit that theme at a news conference he is expected to hold over the coming days, and in most of his public appearances from here on out, aides said. They said they would discourage the traditional yardstick for measuring the accomplishments of a new president — the first 100 days. Mr. Obama told an interviewer toward the end of his campaign that it was more appropriate to talk about the first 1,000 days. :down:

 

[freedom]

hmm , what's your point here? that article sounds pretty rational ... we're in for a rough ride in this country ... and that's something that alot of americans don't yet apperciate .. obama won't be able to snap his fingers overnight and make things happen ....

If anything this press release should demonstrate the fact that's he's got it together by taking a reality based real world view on what our and his future holds ....


Would you feel better if he had come out and said that every propsed advance since the start of his campagin was still on the table ? would it reassure you if he told people we would be out of this mess quickly and painlessly ?

this econmic criis is a serious issue , anyone who had any thought that this would be over quickly has not been doing their homework .... and i'm glad to see that the obama campagin is on it .... more so than mccain was ....

 

[tech2101]

5 anti Obama threads started in two days dapoes.

You might have tried putting as much effort into getting your guy elected.

I guess it is the "New Republican" way to just wait for the Democrat to do something, then attack it and tear it apart.

Please keep it up.

It worked well for you this election cycle.

 

[dapoes]

hmm , what's your point here? that article sounds pretty rational ... we're in for a rough ride in this country ... and that's something that alot of americans don't yet apperciate .. obama won't be able to snap his fingers overnight and make things happen ....

If anything this press release should demonstrate the fact that's he's got it together by taking a reality based real world view on what our and his future holds ....


Would you feel better if he had come out and said that every propsed advance since the start of his campagin was still on the table ? would it reassure you if he told people we would be out of this mess quickly and painlessly ?

this econmic criis is a serious issue , anyone who had any thought that this would be over quickly has not been doing their homework .... and i'm glad to see that the obama campagin is on it .... more so than mccain was ....

Make no mistake, he made alot of rosey promises to alot of groups and people. If he fails to deliver anything short of that, he will be thrown under the bus rather quickly. We will see how quickly the fervor fades and turns to disdain.

 

[delldude]

On an aside......

Anybody notice all the bailing on the stock market?

Why are they bailing?

Couldn't be economic fears of an incoming administration and

what they're going to do to the economy would it?

This guy isn't even sworn in and he's making global change......

It's all about change......you get what you paid for......

 

[dapoes]

5 anti Obama threads started in two days dapoes.

You might have tried putting as much effort into getting your guy elected.

I guess it is the "New Republican" way to just wait for the Democrat to do something, then attack it and tear it apart.

Please keep it up.

It worked well for you this election cycle.

Thank you for monitoring, as I know im your biggest fan.

 

[dapoes]

 

[tadjr]

Truth is that a Presidential Candidate has to appeal to his/her base. So Obama ran very much as a liberal and McCain tried to run as a conservative.

Truth be told, I think that if McCain hadnt turned so far right and chosen someone even further right to run with him that he just might have won the election. I realize they have to pander to their base, but if they are already voting for you, why continue to drive in that direction? Its not like the far right is all of a sudden going to vote for Obama because you drove a little closer to the center lane. Both sides leaned towards their base and hoped that those in the middle would choose them. This time, it was just the left that won out.

 

[delldude]

Truth be told, I think that if McCain hadnt turned so far right and chosen someone even further right to run with him that he just might have won the election. I realize they have to pander to their base, but if they are already voting for you, why continue to drive in that direction? Its not like the far right is all of a sudden going to vote for Obama because you drove a little closer to the center lane. Both sides leaned towards their base and hoped that those in the middle would choose them. This time, it was just the left that won out.

He dissed the Conservative base.....McCain is a lefty....already reaching out to the Messiah.

 

[freedom]

Make no mistake, he made alot of rosey promises to alot of groups and people. If he fails to deliver anything short of that, he will be thrown under the bus rather quickly. We will see how quickly the fervor fades and turns to disdain.

In the grand scheme of things his promises to the public are not priority , servicing them as best he can is priority , if he has to break every election promise to save the nation then so be it . I expect nothing short of doing what’s in the best interests of this nation irregardless of the political cost from our elected leaders . They have already let our nation down once by voting down the 700 billion dollar bailout … look at the treasury secretary , he’s gone against everything he believes in financially in an attempt to save our economy , you have to admire a man who’s willing to shuck his beliefs for the greater good .

You keep going on about socialism and increased taxes .. And you keep placing future blame on obama … but if you haven’t been paying attention it’s a republican administration that has gotten us to where we now are … our nation is broke , so yes we will have to tax the rich more, sad as it is to say (and i do mean that )… and our credit markets are still frozen , so yes the government will have to spend more and create jobs …


You seem to #### and moan a lot , but what is it you propose to get our nation out of this death spiral ? Should we have made no attempt to stop the foreclosure crisis ? Should we have sat on our hands while freddy mac and fannie may went under ? Should our nation have turned a blind eye to AIG one of our nations top insurers while they went BK setting off a chain reaction of economic destruction ?

Obama and the democrats will be good for the nation because people are scared , scared to be homeless and jobless . People want to believe that if they should lose their job and can’t find another one that they won’t end up in a back alley begging for food and money … we can’t begin to put a tapper on the fear that is destroying wall street until the general population begins to calm down …


As to the market reacting to an obama presidency , you have a short memory because just a few weeks ago the market was dropping by more than 300 points each and every day ….

Question for you , what would a McCain victory have done to change market fundamentals ? Would the credit markets have magically sprung back to life if McCain had been elected ? Would companies have decided not to cut personal in expectation of a slow to negative growth holidays season ? Would people trapped in mortages they couldn’t affoard kept paying their bills if McCain had entered the white house ? Would people have suddenly said “oh McCain won! I’ll keep paying my credit card bills even though the interest payments on them have risen dramatically “

Would GM and Chrysler have decided to forgo their merger in expectation that auto sales while down by OVER 50 PERCENT would magically rebound in January ?

Would an annoucnment that McCain had been elected have helped the European and aisan markets , perhaps somehow causing the BOE and BOJ decide not to lower it’s interest rates ?

The us economy is dying ……. Oabama isn’t responsible , and he may not be able to stop it … but at least he’s got a crack team of economic advisers to help him ..

 

[dapoes]

Freedom,

The point to this post is to highlight that alot of those promises he made to people and groups are never going to see the light of day. Everyone and the media bought him on his charismatic personality and not so much the reality of his issues.

The stark reality is alot of people are going to suffer yet he painted this picture that he was going to save everyone. He create that expectation for alot of people who to be truthful, arent that sophisticated to understand how Washington or Government works or those who just want their (special interest) payback for all the money they threw at his campaign.

And make no mistake both Dems and Republicans are both responsible for the problems we are having. Hopefully they can contain the pain and turn things around.

 

[Garfield]

you can bet when you raise 700 million dollars you owe a lot of flavors

as far as him fixing things, isn't he just going to raise a hand and it happen? many of his faithful seem to think so

 

[delldude]

In the grand scheme of things his promises to the public are not priority , servicing them as best he can is priority , if he has to break every election promise to save the nation then so be it .

It's called lying then.

it’s a republican administration that has gotten us to where we now are … our nation is broke , so yes we will have to tax the rich more, sad as it is to say (and i do mean that )… and our credit markets are still frozen , so yes the government will have to spend more and create jobs …

If we're so friggin' broke...how is it that Pelosi and company are already pushing for another economic stimulus package?
The Obama Robin Hood taxation hasn't even been proposed yet.

Should we have made no attempt to stop the foreclosure crisis ? Should we have sat on our hands while freddy mac and fannie may went under ? Should our nation have turned a blind eye to AIG one of our nations top insurers while they went BK setting off a chain reaction of economic destruction ?

Your Republican administration who caused all this attempted to address the Fan/Fred debacle but your Dem's went party line and then ducked the issue.

As to the market reacting to an obama presidency , you have a short memory because just a few weeks ago the market was dropping by more than 300 points each and every day ….

But rebounding pretty much by the same amount-now they're bailing due to lack of faith in Obama's non existent economic solution.

Question for you , what would a McCain victory have done to change market fundamentals ? Would the credit markets have magically sprung back to life if McCain had been elected ? Would companies have decided not to cut personal in expectation of a slow to negative growth holidays season ? Would people trapped in mortages they couldn’t affoard kept paying their bills if McCain had entered the white house ? Would people have suddenly said “oh McCain won! I’ll keep paying my credit card bills even though the interest payments on them have risen dramatically “

I sure as dicken's am willing to bet it wouldn't have gone as it is.

Would GM and Chrysler have decided to forgo their merger in expectation that auto sales while down by OVER 50 PERCENT would magically rebound in January ?

You've got to be kidding here......

Would an annoucnment that McCain had been elected have helped the European and aisan markets , perhaps somehow causing the BOE and BOJ decide not to lower it’s interest rates ?

Well,the announcement of the Messiah's victory has caused all this globally if you haven't noticed.

The us economy is dying ……. Oabama isn’t responsible , and he may not be able to stop it … but at least he’s got a crack team of economic advisers to help him ..

i don't think its dying...just dealing with and paying the price for loads of asinine policies.The economy is dealing with several decades of poor leadership and guidance by both GOP and DEM leadership....and now the easy credit availability that consumers had comes home to roost in the big economy.
And as to this crack team of advisors......we'll see about that.

 

[freedom]

While i didn't follow the campagin like a hawk , i don't remember him making any promises that might be too large to keep ... i do remember hillary clinton's healthcare plan that was nothing short of competely socalist , and i did approve of obama's lesser plan ....

And while we cannot lay total blame for this mess on the republican party , an overly large part of it can be attributed to george bush .... if we hadn't wasted almost 1.5 trillion dollars with the invasion of iraq we'd be in a much better spot today ..


i think obama WILL save alot of people ,the question is in what manner they will be saved ... given the choice between a republican admistration that espouses small goverment and lower taxes ... the choice for saftey can be nothing other than large goverment and higher taxes ... i live in arizona , here we have mentally ill ... back in the 1970 's they were put into hosptials so they could be effectively treated , but somewhere along the line , in order to keep costs in check , they were turned lose onto the streets !? that's the cost of smaller goverment ...

 

[delldude]

i live in arizona , here we have mentally ill ... back in the 1970 's they were put into hosptials so they could be effectively treated , but somewhere along the line , in order to keep costs in check , they were turned lose onto the streets !? that's the cost of smaller goverment ...

Freedom....I respect your opinions and views.Its nice to come to somewhat common ground.

As to your mentally ill.....ACLU is who went after that issue.....there are problems here in Pittsburgh too....murders by homeless with mental issues and such....is it right to keep these people institutionalized....I really don't quite know. Is it right to let them roam,usually homeless....I don't know either......depriving one of liberty is a big issue in the legal realm..and the personal arena too.