CLT -vs- PIT

[FM2436]

An interesting read. 76 cents per passenger at CLT -vs- 8 bucks per passenger at PIT.

http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/story/1065...E&cm_ite=NA

 

[robbedagain]

it was a smart move CLT cheaper and US I think has made out like a bandit in CLT compared to PIT. But I honestly loved the days when Pit was a bustlin hub and very easy to navigate as well! They rarely took delays in bad weather

 

[LD3]

You dont need to build a Taj Mahal of an airport to effectivly move people from plane to plane, I think Jerry proved that. I would assume that the lower cost per pax would probably offset the lower O&D numbers in CLT than PIT...Does anyone have true O&D numbers for CLT?

 

[CynicalResAgent]

According to the office of management and budget Charlotte is a faster growing region than Pittsburgh which is shrinking

22 Pittsburgh, PA MSA 2008 pop - 2,351,192 2000 pop - 2,431,087 percent change −3.29% Pittsburgh-New Castle, PA CSA
34 Charlotte-Gastonia-Concord, NC-SC MSA 2008 pop - 1,701,799 200 pop - 1,330,448 percent change +27.91% Charlotte-Gastonia-Salisbury, NC-SC CSA

 

[zethya]

You dont need to build a Taj Mahal of an airport to effectivly move people from plane to plane, I think Jerry proved that. I would assume that the lower cost per pax would probably offset the lower O&D numbers in CLT than PIT...Does anyone have true O&D numbers for CLT?

There is really little difference - CLT is slightly higher.
Pittsburgh Domestic O&D: 7.4M
Charlotte Domestic O&D: 8.3M
PHL's is more than 2 x that of either PIT or CLT. For comparison, MIA's Domestic O&D is only about 1M more than CLT. CLT has the largest disparity of O&D versus connecting traffic of just about any major airport. That can be quite negative if US abandons CLT and no one steps in - similar to what happened at PIT. Obviously a difference is that CLT would not be saddled with a nearly $1B airport construction debt.

 

[LGA / 037]

[MIA's Domestic O&D is only about 1M more than CLT. CLT has the largest disparity of O&D versus connecting traffic of just about any major airport. That can be quite negative if US abandons CLT and no one steps in - similar to what happened at PIT. Obviously a difference is that CLT would not be saddled with a nearly $1B airport construction debt.
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yea but the Carribean , Latin , and European O&D makes AA far more a fortune than PHL does for US! Still PHL including domestic is one of if not THE best in the country.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Still PHL including domestic is one of if not THE best in the country.

If you mean revenue-wise, it's not. That is because of it's location between Washington and NYC. 10-12% of domestic business travel nationwide is going to/from those two cities, and at PHL the train and even car gets part of that traffic. Leisure traffic in the southern parts of the MSA have BWI (WM) as an alternative.That's why Philly is ranked #4-5 in MSA population yet consistently ranks #14-16 in O&D traffic.

But it's the best big city that "old" US had available in it's core market.

Jim

 

[a320av8r]

An interesting read. 76 cents per passenger at CLT -vs- 8 bucks per passenger at PIT.

http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/story/1065...E&cm_ite=NA

PIT and Allegheny are finally dead, end of subject. Piedmont wins, I hate that for you...

 

[ClueByFour]

Now, let us take a look at reality:

20+ years ago, US wanted the new PIT terminal. They got it. At that time, the difference between CLT and PIT was a buck versus two--which represented the debt load to build the new PIT terminal.

US subsequently pulls out of PIT. The cost per pax goes up, because 500 flights/day vanish from PIT.

I hope that WN enters CLT sooner rather than later: Jerry Orr will have to jump off US' lap, and watching the same thing happen to CLT will be priceless. How is the whole banking thing working out?

Orr is a tool, much like many people who do economic development in the south. He just does not realize it yet.

 

[ebwgs]

PIT and Allegheny are finally dead, end of subject. Piedmont wins, I hate that for you...

I am gonna err on the side of good old tongue in cheek humor and assume that this post was written in that light. I must also say that as one who was hired in 1993--from HP mind you--I am originally USAIR. But if I were a former PIT based employee I would find the above post to be a bit catty and unnecessary and woefully insensitive. Why must we be so chronically dysfunctional and destructfully insensitive of one another? I was never based in PIT, so I don't have a dog in that fight, but I know that this kind of gloating lends a lot of itself to the over the top cultural fragmentation that has the net effect on compromising the kind of product that we all want to present to the flying public. I loved our Pittsburgh days. The Airport, the facilities, and the overall familiarities that defined the Pit experience.

We are a mix of work groups on a mission to denigrate and de-legitimize our colleagues from the east or the west, or to a lesser degree, the north and the south. Perhaps it's to enhance our own individual level of insecurity or that of our own our own personal value to the company. Or perhaps, we are a mix of workgroups from east to west who are intoxicated by the tremendous potential that we have to offer as a company who has made mistakes, been knocked around but with a phoenix like soul that has allowed us to rise from the darkness off insolveny only to consistently remain a major player in the industry.

The time has come to retire the acrimony that has existed in the bases over the years and to come to realize that a more gestalt approach may very well be what's needed by offering the most promise to our company in the long run as a successful going concern, or we will continue to bad mouth our careers into the airline graveyard with what could've been, but never will be. Like it or not, we're all we've got. But were the best there is.

AL and PIt maybe be gone, but this Philly based f/a celebrates their legacies, and as we move into the era of the Steel Magnolia, I look forward to mixing the best attributes of Pitt and LGA and BOS, as well as every other base emeritus that lent it's hand in making US Airways the great airline that it was.

 

[zethya]

yea but the Carribean , Latin , and European O&D makes AA far more a fortune than PHL does for US! Still PHL including domestic is one of if not THE best in the country.

If you eliminate Europe from your claim, since AA only flies to 3 European cities from Miami, I might agree with you. South/Central America is where Miami excels in O&D. If you restricted your profit claim to the Caribbean and Central America, I would disagree with you. South American route yields is where AA likely makes thier $.

.............. But it's the best big city that "old" US had available in it's core market.
Jim

Actually it's the best big city that "NEW" US has available in it's core market.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Actually it's the best big city that "NEW" US has available in it's core market.

Well, if we're talking actualities there was no "new" US when the PHL was established...and yes, I should have said "had" instead of "has" to make my meaning clearer.

Jim

 

[ggiby]

I am gonna err on the side of good old tongue in cheek humor and assume that this post was written in that light. I must also say that as one who was hired in 1993--from HP mind you--I am originally USAIR. But if I were a former PIT based employee I would find the above post to be a bit catty and unnecessary and woefully insensitive. Why must we be so chronically dysfunctional and destructfully insensitive of one another? I was never based in PIT, so I don't have a dog in that fight, but I know that this kind of gloating lends a lot of itself to the over the top cultural fragmentation that has the net effect on compromising the kind of product that we all want to present to the flying public. I loved our Pittsburgh days. The Airport, the facilities, and the overall familiarities that defined the Pit experience.

We are a mix of work groups on a mission to denigrate and de-legitimize our colleagues from the east or the west, or to a lesser degree, the north and the south. Perhaps it's to enhance our own individual level of insecurity or that of our own our own personal value to the company. Or perhaps, we are a mix of workgroups from east to west who are intoxicated by the tremendous potential that we have to offer as a company who has made mistakes, been knocked around but with a phoenix like soul that has allowed us to rise from the darkness off insolveny only to consistently remain a major player in the industry.

The time has come to retire the acrimony that has existed in the bases over the years and to come to realize that a more gestalt approach may very well be what's needed by offering the most promise to our company in the long run as a successful going concern, or we will continue to bad mouth our careers into the airline graveyard with what could've been, but never will be. Like it or not, we're all we've got. But were the best there is.

AL and PIt maybe be gone, but this Philly based f/a celebrates their legacies, and as we move into the era of the Steel Magnolia, I look forward to mixing the best attributes of Pitt and LGA and BOS, as well as every other base emeritus that lent it's hand in making US Airways the great airline that it was.

 

[FM2436]

I am gonna err on the side of good old tongue in cheek humor and assume that this post was written in that light. I must also say that as one who was hired in 1993--from HP mind you--I am originally USAIR. But if I were a former PIT based employee I would find the above post to be a bit catty and unnecessary and woefully insensitive. Why must we be so chronically dysfunctional and destructfully insensitive of one another? I was never based in PIT, so I don't have a dog in that fight, but I know that this kind of gloating lends a lot of itself to the over the top cultural fragmentation that has the net effect on compromising the kind of product that we all want to present to the flying public. I loved our Pittsburgh days. The Airport, the facilities, and the overall familiarities that defined the Pit experience.

We are a mix of work groups on a mission to denigrate and de-legitimize our colleagues from the east or the west, or to a lesser degree, the north and the south. Perhaps it's to enhance our own individual level of insecurity or that of our own our own personal value to the company. Or perhaps, we are a mix of workgroups from east to west who are intoxicated by the tremendous potential that we have to offer as a company who has made mistakes, been knocked around but with a phoenix like soul that has allowed us to rise from the darkness off insolveny only to consistently remain a major player in the industry.

The time has come to retire the acrimony that has existed in the bases over the years and to come to realize that a more gestalt approach may very well be what's needed by offering the most promise to our company in the long run as a successful going concern, or we will continue to bad mouth our careers into the airline graveyard with what could've been, but never will be. Like it or not, we're all we've got. But were the best there is.

AL and PIt maybe be gone, but this Philly based f/a celebrates their legacies, and as we move into the era of the Steel Magnolia, I look forward to mixing the best attributes of Pitt and LGA and BOS, as well as every other base emeritus that lent it's hand in making US Airways the great airline that it was.

From the article, page 2:

"Present-day US Airways began to take form in 1987, when US Air acquired Piedmont, operator of the Charlotte hub. For years, cultural conflict divided the two regions. In a 2004 interview, Teddy Xidas, president of the Pittsburgh local of the Flight Attendants Association, declared: "Pittsburgh is rough and tough ... we come from labor, steel mills, blue-collar workers." By contrast, she said, "Charlotte is very delicate (with) gentle, soft souls. They wear their hair in a bow and say, 'I just hate that for you.' "

 

[nycbusdriver]

Piedmont wins, I hate that for you...

ROTFLOL! Perfect!

It has taken 20+ years to be vindicated, and the "victory" is by now quite hollow, but there it is.