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Sounds like the sealions have become the holy cows of India! Water fowl tends to defecate near the shore, and in my area there has been an increased in sicknesses, when people go swimming.
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Indeed an apt analogy: "...the sealions have become the holy cows of India!"....Pretty much insane stuff, isn't it?
" ..has been an increased in sicknesses, when people go swimming". A sad situation, but there's no possible surprise there. Such follows "naturally", whenever any semblance of sense is lost among the human population.
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There are egregious travesty on both sides. With.out regulations various whale species were nearly hunted to extinction. With out hunting restrictions various mammals were hunted to extinction or nearly so. No one knows how many species have been lost over the centuries. Can animal rights go over board? Sure they can. But as we have seen, when regulations on use or harvesting are not present, there is a good likyhood that what ever is being harvested will be decimated.
Since we are the top sentient being on the planet we are responsible for it. If you want some good example of.the.government doing good look at the whales, wolves, bald eagles, California condor, forestation (not.perfect but at least we have some forests left), national parks just to name a few.
Since we are the top sentient being on the planet we are responsible for it. If you want some good example of.the.government doing good look at the whales, wolves, bald eagles, California condor, forestation (not.perfect but at least we have some forests left), national parks just to name a few.
1) Species routinely become extinct on a regular basis. That's also known as natural selection/evolution. If it were now possible; would you have us resurrect such charming animals as T-Rex, et al?...merely because they're now extinct?
2) We've full agreement with the idea of preventing harvesting levels that endanger the survival of useful prey.
3) "Since we are the top sentient being on the planet we are responsible for it." No offence meant, honestly, but that's such an incredibly arrogant fantasy that words simply fail me to some large extent here....but I'll try:
To even begin to imagine that, in even all of humankind's existence, that we've had any major effect on the natural doings of mother earth is not only absurdly arrogant but more completely ridiculous. As a species...our favorite pastimes have historically been war, obtaining yet ever more of whatever resources are available by any possible means, and reproducing to levels entirely unsustainable by ANY natural means. The population through history generally peaked at approx 2 to 2.5 or so billion. We're now at what?...7+ billion?...How do you think that's even slightly sustained? Hint = Industrialization/oil/oil products-fertilizers/combustion engines/etc....Take away the "pillaging" of the planet, the petroleum products, the vast industry....and literally BILLIONS would/will VERY soon starve.....Little need to mention war and disease there as well. There's NOTHING going on wthin the human species' now constant population swelling that's at ALL "natural". We can't even take care of, or even FEED all the human beings now present, much less being born...and...who truly is "We" anyway? "We" don't even "play well together" at all. Why do you think that all "civilized" nations field such vast military machines? We're the top shelf predators...hardly the caretakers.....and you would yet fantasize some magical "power" to somehow have control over, much less be "responsible" for the entire earth herself?....Wow!
Please don't misconstrue any of that as unduly cynical, as I'm a great fan of being alive, and even of all other people being likewise alive....I just have no functional fantasies, nor can wear any blinders so as to not see "how things actually work"
"...good example of.the.government doing good look at the whales, wolves,.." WOLVES?...And that's, umm...a "good example"? Ummm...WHY?...You're just joking there...right?
Hmmm..what's next on the agenda? = T-Rex? ...or..perhaps in the interests of enhancing "diversity"...they could bring in breeding pairs of cobras and kraits to loose in the wild as well?...Heck..why not lions too?....Oh wait!..The complete lunatics in Kalifornia are already all over increasing the local version of lions...but; should we limit it to locals?...Why not import some truly awesome, not merely deadly beasts to let loose?Suggested viewing...if just for some good chuckles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGOBm2J4tn0&feature=related
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George Carlin, had a great way of pointing out the obvious and a great comedian. I'm glad I got to see his show in Vegas before he passed.
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Sometimes you learn things that aren't written in any books. That is true when it comes to the natural order of things. Sometimes you have to deviate from the norm and do your own thinking. You can't always be part of a group just to belong, sometimes you have to do your own thinking. It goes with putting things you learned from books and things you have experienced together. Somethings aren't written in books.
We all know about the fires out west. I predict that within 2 years, all the trees will be replaced and the way they were before the fires. I know because I have friends in the forestry field of NYS. They told me about replacing trees quickly and how.
Animals that aren't controlled will become more than a nuisance to man in so many ways. They spread diseases and viruses. Lyme disease is on the increase. Rabies are on the increase. Even man confronting wild animals is on the increase. There is an increase of feral animals and the release of non native animals even the dangerous varieties.
Here's something that comes from left field. I believe the dodo was a fictional mythological creature. You will have to combine what you read, what you know, and what you've experienced on this one.
In the 70s I read about an island of the Galopogos, that has an abundance of seals and sea lions. On one side the animals had no fear of man and were pretty tame. On the other side they would flee like lightning from man. On one side, the animals never experienced man. On the other side is where they were hunted.
Animals, mankind included, do what they have to to survive. Dodos do not fit the profile. Therefore they are a myth.
We all know about the fires out west. I predict that within 2 years, all the trees will be replaced and the way they were before the fires. I know because I have friends in the forestry field of NYS. They told me about replacing trees quickly and how.
Animals that aren't controlled will become more than a nuisance to man in so many ways. They spread diseases and viruses. Lyme disease is on the increase. Rabies are on the increase. Even man confronting wild animals is on the increase. There is an increase of feral animals and the release of non native animals even the dangerous varieties.
Here's something that comes from left field. I believe the dodo was a fictional mythological creature. You will have to combine what you read, what you know, and what you've experienced on this one.
In the 70s I read about an island of the Galopogos, that has an abundance of seals and sea lions. On one side the animals had no fear of man and were pretty tame. On the other side they would flee like lightning from man. On one side, the animals never experienced man. On the other side is where they were hunted.
Animals, mankind included, do what they have to to survive. Dodos do not fit the profile. Therefore they are a myth.
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EastUS1,
I am not talking about species eliminated by natural selection. I am referring to animals that have been hunted to extinction or to the point where they became endangered. No one is talking about bringing back animals that went extinct naturally. People are talking about helping species that are endangered to repopulate and then reintroduce them back into their natural environment such as the wolf.
I am not sure how you are defining major change but I was talking about instances such as man nearly wiping out certain whale populations and other species due to over hunting or the destruction of habitats. As humans we are responsible for those actions and I think as humans we need to take far more interest in our stewardship of this planet.
I do not see how 7 billion (and growing) people cannot have an affect on the environment. How much of an affect is certainly debatable but I believe we do have an affect. I agree that our population burst coincides with industrialization. I think that goes without saying.
I am not sure what your fascination is with the wolves, they were but one example of species that were protected and brought back from the endangered list and reintroduces. Nature is a balance. You need both prey and predators to keep the balance. If lions were native to the area then they should be in the area to maintain that balance.
I am not talking about species eliminated by natural selection. I am referring to animals that have been hunted to extinction or to the point where they became endangered. No one is talking about bringing back animals that went extinct naturally. People are talking about helping species that are endangered to repopulate and then reintroduce them back into their natural environment such as the wolf.
I am not sure how you are defining major change but I was talking about instances such as man nearly wiping out certain whale populations and other species due to over hunting or the destruction of habitats. As humans we are responsible for those actions and I think as humans we need to take far more interest in our stewardship of this planet.
I do not see how 7 billion (and growing) people cannot have an affect on the environment. How much of an affect is certainly debatable but I believe we do have an affect. I agree that our population burst coincides with industrialization. I think that goes without saying.
I am not sure what your fascination is with the wolves, they were but one example of species that were protected and brought back from the endangered list and reintroduces. Nature is a balance. You need both prey and predators to keep the balance. If lions were native to the area then they should be in the area to maintain that balance.
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What does copulation have to do with industrialation ? Just because there's a steel mill down the street, doesn't mean John and Mary are going to get it on more often ! Sex is a natural part of life , as well as maintaining the species through copulation and industrialization has absolutely nothing to do with it. I think that goes without saying !
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Right and the fact that the population stayed under 1 billion for a few hundred thousand years till about 1800 and in the last 200 years the population has gone up to just shy of 7 billion. And you are saying that industrialization had nothing to do with the population growth? Seriously? Modern plumbing, electricity, refrigeration, transportation, medical care, farming just to mention a few things that came with industrialization all had nothing to do with going from 1 billion to 7 billion people in 200 years?
Please, tell us what did cause that 6 billion person increase in 200 years that did not occur in the few hundred thousand years before hand. Please share.
Please, tell us what did cause that 6 billion person increase in 200 years that did not occur in the few hundred thousand years before hand. Please share.
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Invention of the condom by a Jewish guy, Julius Schmid, who used designs from back in the hay.
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1) "hunted to extinction"? How is that not natural selection? Does it matter what species serves the role of predator?
2) "our stewardship of this planet."? Is an infant feeding at it's mother's breast serving as ANY type of a "steward" to her? I must again note that I find such unimaginable arrogance to be nothing short of astounding/incredible/unbelievable/etc! "our stewardship"?...Sigh!...OK then, as a "steward" of this planet: What's you plan for even it's indefinite survival? You must know it's already "middle aged" and has a definable shelf life attendant to that of the sun's good health...and science tells us directly what the future holds for the sun as well. It goes without saying that humankind has a statistically high probability of being LONG gone well before even that final act comes into play. Evolution, just by it's self, dictates that our glorious species won't even exist, at least in our present form, a very, very LONG time before such events close the entire show down. So, Ms "steward"....what's your game plan for perpetual viability of the sun and the earth?
Don't tell me you have none!? That alone would ill serve any infantile fantasies as to being some/ANY sort of "steward", wouldn't it? 3) Wolves? = They've been, however infrequently, known to kill and eat people in history, not to mention far more often the livestock of said people. I've known two wolves that were domesticated pets that were magnficent animals, and, so long as people enjoy them, they won't die out. What reasonable need exists to "reintroduce" them into "the wild"?...as if such a place as "the wild" even yet exists in this country. If you wish to ensure their survival; get the nut jobs off making laws to prevent having them as pets!!!
4) Lions? Well.....as "cute and cuddly" as you may find them ...some of us just don't, at least not out in "the wild"....wherever that still supposedly exists...perhaps best summed up in the nat geo link: "I'm a North American mountain lion. I can bring down a 600-pound bull elk. How much do you weigh?"
http://abcnews.go.co...70#.T_XVj_VQR8E
http://www.nationalg...excerpt5.html
http://en.wikipedia....n_North_America
http://www.nctimes.c...82b224b591.html
Standard "touchy-feely" BS/Boilerplate: "Wildlife ecologist Steve Bobzien with the East Bay Regional Park District emphasizes putting sightings in perspective, "Mountain lion attacks are extremely, extremely, extremely rare. If you think about the millions of people who are recreating in their habitat every day, the cats are doing a good job of avoiding people." Umm Hmmm.." the cats are doing a good job of avoiding people."...when/if they don't look tasty....or their ever expanding territorial imperative calls to the cats?
I'm properly envious EC. Sigh!....never had the pleasure of seeing the man's show in person. Typical sad story = missed a couple chances to do so...thinking "later"....
Hope the Fourth was fun for you and yours. I liked the video link you posted. Far too few see themselves nowadays as properly being Americans.
