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5000 FA furlough notices going out tomorrow, nAAtives to fly LLC equipment out of STL (not SLT). Can''t name my source, but details will be coming out soon.
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Now that I''ve had ten minutes or so to accept my fate, let''s start analyzing numbers again.
5000 furlough notices is, of course, 5000 FA''s subject to furlough. Some of those on OVL''s will undoubtedly remain, and I assume OVL''s now have to be offered to the entire system. As unattractive as the OVL''s have been made, I''m sure a number of people will take them anyway. So will attrition in the next couple of months mitigate the furloughs? How many junior AA people will be let "off the hook?"
It appears that AA got FAA permission to train AA people on LLC aircraft, although I assume cross-utilization will not be allowed (don''t put any faith in my powers of assumption). Junior people will be drafted to the base. If it helps any junior AA people out there, it now takes about 1500 FA''s to staff our AC and will take at least 1000 to staff the number anticipated to still be around at the end of the year. And your base APFA reps will be none other than our own beloved Sherry Cooper and Greg Bertolini. This should prove very interesting!
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5000 furlough notices is, of course, 5000 FA''s subject to furlough. Some of those on OVL''s will undoubtedly remain, and I assume OVL''s now have to be offered to the entire system. As unattractive as the OVL''s have been made, I''m sure a number of people will take them anyway. So will attrition in the next couple of months mitigate the furloughs? How many junior AA people will be let "off the hook?"
It appears that AA got FAA permission to train AA people on LLC aircraft, although I assume cross-utilization will not be allowed (don''t put any faith in my powers of assumption). Junior people will be drafted to the base. If it helps any junior AA people out there, it now takes about 1500 FA''s to staff our AC and will take at least 1000 to staff the number anticipated to still be around at the end of the year. And your base APFA reps will be none other than our own beloved Sherry Cooper and Greg Bertolini. This should prove very interesting!
MK
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MK,
Unfortunately, the rumor of 5,100 furloughs was true, after all. So much for trying to make sense from the numbers as we did on another thread just a day or two ago.
By the way, our source has given the O.K. to post this information on the APFA bulletin boards.
It was a nice ride while it lasted.
Unfortunately, the rumor of 5,100 furloughs was true, after all. So much for trying to make sense from the numbers as we did on another thread just a day or two ago.
By the way, our source has given the O.K. to post this information on the APFA bulletin boards.
It was a nice ride while it lasted.
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Subject: Jane Allen mailing list subscription for 4/29/2003
Posted: 4/29/2003 7:39:28 PM
Title: American Begins Implementation of Restructuring Agreements
This is Jane Allen with a Special Update for Tuesday, April 29, 2003.
As you know, we narrowly averted a Chapter 11 bankruptcy filing last week when we reached amended Restructuring Agreements with each of our unions. Although very painful, these agreements – coupled with the changes in pay, benefits and work rules that are being implemented for management, support staff, agents, reps and planners – will provide us with the labor cost reductions we need to restructure our company for the future. Because our financial condition continues to be very dire, we must move quickly to implement the changes in the restructuring agreements so that we can begin to see some of the savings we so desperately need.
Today we met with APFA and took them through our plans for the next couple of months. Let me first put into perspective where we are today.
As a result, we today provided APFA with the federally-required WARN letter, which states we could expect to furlough approximately 5000 flight attendants by July 1 of this year.
I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR – JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE ISSUED “SUBJECT TO FURLOUGH†NOTICES TO 5000 FLIGHT ATTENDANTS DOES NOT MEAN THAT 5000 FLIGHT ATTENDANTS WILL BE FURLOUGHED.
This number will be reduced as we take into account those flight attendants who are awarded the new Overage Leaves and Partnership Flying, as well as any flight attendants who decide to retire or resign. Despite all this, I know that this number is very large, and I truly wish this wasn’t the case.
A furlough of this size results in significant challenges. As you know, our 1800 most junior flight attendants are based in St. Louis. The heart-wrenching result of this fact is that all of those fine flight attendants – many with over 30 years of combined TWA/AA service – will be furloughed. In addition, up to 3200 of our most junior flight attendants at bases other than St. Louis will also be subject to furlough. We won’t know the exact number until we have worked through the Overage Leave and Partnership Flying proffers, and any attrition that results from resignations or retirements.
Our summer schedule in St. Louis will remain consistent with projections, and St. Louis remains an important part of American’s network. As you are aware, we currently have a number of aircraft based in St. Louis that are flown under the TWA LLC operating certificate. Although these aircraft will eventually be converted to fly under the AA operating certificate, in the interim these aircraft will continue to operate on the TWA LLC certificate.
Thus, concurrent with the Overage Leave and Partnership Flying proffers, we are also providing flight attendants the ability to enter a transfer request for the STL base. We anticipate needing approximately 1000 flight attendants to fly TWA LLC equipment at the STL base effective July 2. In accordance with the provisions of Article 16 of the Collective Bargaining Agreement, if there are insufficient transfer requests received, flight attendants will be assigned to the STL base in reverse order of seniority from those bases where an overage exists.
Flight attendants who transfer to STL will need to undergo an FAA-approved training program to allow them to work on TWA aircraft. While we have aligned TWA LLC policies and procedures with AA’s to the extent possible, there are still material differences on which flight attendants must be trained, in addition to basic indoctrination hours required by the FAA. The training program is 8 days in length, one day of which is a duty-free period. Training will be conducted at FlagShip University in DFW and will start as early as the week of May 19, with several classes starting each week. Flight attendants attending training in May will be paid on a trips-missed basis for May and will paper bid for the contractual month of June. They will resume active flying in STL during the contractual month of July. Training classes will be assigned in seniority order. More information, including a complete question-and-answer document, is available under “STL Transfer†in the Quick Links section of the Flight Service website.
Now that you have the background, let me walk you through the timing.
Starting May 12, we will review the results of the new Overage Leave and Partnership Flying proffers, including those flight attendants who may or may not return from their current Overage Leave. We will also look at the transfer requests for STL to determine if enough flight attendants have volunteered to go to the STL base. If we do not have enough volunteers, then we will begin to involuntarily assign flight attendants into the STL base under the provisions of Article 16 of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
We expect to announce the results of the Overage Leaves and Partnership Flying no later than May 14, and we will determine the voluntary and involuntary STL transfers no later than May 16. As always, we will publish the highest seniority number of the flight attendant at each base holding an Overage Leave, Partnership Flying, and the STL transfer on the Flight Service website. Flight attendants who will be transferring to STL will also be advised by HI6 message of their training date.
This is a lot of information to digest all at once. These are large numbers and even though they’ve been out there floating around, now that they confirmed and added together, I know that it is distressing. The truth is, this is a big impact, and there is no way to avoid the reality that thousands of outstanding flight attendants will be leaving the company.
Earlier this week, I said that the road ahead of us will continue to test our resolve for saving American Airlines. It is very difficult to convey the deep sense of regret I feel on this hotline. These steps are truly heart wrenching, and there is no good way to deliver this kind of news. But I have committed that I will be honest and direct with you and I will continue to provide you with the best information we have. That is what I have done here and I will continue to do as we go forward.
I recognize that this is very difficult news for many of you, and you will be experiencing a myriad of emotions. As we move through this process, many of you will have questions that you will need to have answered. We have a number of channels in place to answer questions and provide information. Please do not hesitate to use them. There is a lot of information that will help to answer your questions on the Flight Service website. We will do everything possible to ensure that once we have information, that we get it to you so that you will have the information you need to make decisions and plans.
In the coming days, please continue to fly safely and keep your focus on the safety and service that are so vital to our success right now. Every customer we’re able to keep today will only speed our recovery tomorrow. I’ll be back with another Update as more information becomes available. Please take care of yourselves and each other. We have some difficult days ahead.
Subject: Jane Allen mailing list subscription for 4/29/2003
Posted: 4/29/2003 7:39:28 PM
Title: American Begins Implementation of Restructuring Agreements
This is Jane Allen with a Special Update for Tuesday, April 29, 2003.
As you know, we narrowly averted a Chapter 11 bankruptcy filing last week when we reached amended Restructuring Agreements with each of our unions. Although very painful, these agreements – coupled with the changes in pay, benefits and work rules that are being implemented for management, support staff, agents, reps and planners – will provide us with the labor cost reductions we need to restructure our company for the future. Because our financial condition continues to be very dire, we must move quickly to implement the changes in the restructuring agreements so that we can begin to see some of the savings we so desperately need.
Today we met with APFA and took them through our plans for the next couple of months. Let me first put into perspective where we are today.
- After the return of the flight attendants whose Overage Leaves end on May 1, we will have about 2200 flight attendants out on Overage Leaves.
The Restructuring Agreement reached with APFA eliminates all benefits other than occupational seniority accrual and travel privileges for Overage Leaves. Because of this change, we will be canceling current Overage Leaves effective July 1, and we will open a new proffer today for Overage Leaves that will begin on July 2. This will give flight attendants that are currently on an Overage Leave the opportunity to return to active status or continue their Overage Leave. However, at this point we don’t know how many flight attendants will elect to remain out on an Overage Leave, or how many flight attendants currently on active status will want to bid on Overage Leaves.
The productivity improvements contained in the Restructuring Agreement, together with the schedule reductions that occurred in April and May, will result in the need for about 2800 fewer flight attendants than we have today effective as of July 1. We will also be implementing additional productivity improvements after July 1, and we will be reducing the number of aircraft in our fleet in accordance with our announced plans over the course of the next year. Both of these things will result in the need for even fewer flight attendants.
As a result, we today provided APFA with the federally-required WARN letter, which states we could expect to furlough approximately 5000 flight attendants by July 1 of this year.
I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR – JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE ISSUED “SUBJECT TO FURLOUGH†NOTICES TO 5000 FLIGHT ATTENDANTS DOES NOT MEAN THAT 5000 FLIGHT ATTENDANTS WILL BE FURLOUGHED.
This number will be reduced as we take into account those flight attendants who are awarded the new Overage Leaves and Partnership Flying, as well as any flight attendants who decide to retire or resign. Despite all this, I know that this number is very large, and I truly wish this wasn’t the case.
A furlough of this size results in significant challenges. As you know, our 1800 most junior flight attendants are based in St. Louis. The heart-wrenching result of this fact is that all of those fine flight attendants – many with over 30 years of combined TWA/AA service – will be furloughed. In addition, up to 3200 of our most junior flight attendants at bases other than St. Louis will also be subject to furlough. We won’t know the exact number until we have worked through the Overage Leave and Partnership Flying proffers, and any attrition that results from resignations or retirements.
Our summer schedule in St. Louis will remain consistent with projections, and St. Louis remains an important part of American’s network. As you are aware, we currently have a number of aircraft based in St. Louis that are flown under the TWA LLC operating certificate. Although these aircraft will eventually be converted to fly under the AA operating certificate, in the interim these aircraft will continue to operate on the TWA LLC certificate.
Thus, concurrent with the Overage Leave and Partnership Flying proffers, we are also providing flight attendants the ability to enter a transfer request for the STL base. We anticipate needing approximately 1000 flight attendants to fly TWA LLC equipment at the STL base effective July 2. In accordance with the provisions of Article 16 of the Collective Bargaining Agreement, if there are insufficient transfer requests received, flight attendants will be assigned to the STL base in reverse order of seniority from those bases where an overage exists.
Flight attendants who transfer to STL will need to undergo an FAA-approved training program to allow them to work on TWA aircraft. While we have aligned TWA LLC policies and procedures with AA’s to the extent possible, there are still material differences on which flight attendants must be trained, in addition to basic indoctrination hours required by the FAA. The training program is 8 days in length, one day of which is a duty-free period. Training will be conducted at FlagShip University in DFW and will start as early as the week of May 19, with several classes starting each week. Flight attendants attending training in May will be paid on a trips-missed basis for May and will paper bid for the contractual month of June. They will resume active flying in STL during the contractual month of July. Training classes will be assigned in seniority order. More information, including a complete question-and-answer document, is available under “STL Transfer†in the Quick Links section of the Flight Service website.
Now that you have the background, let me walk you through the timing.
- As I’ve already mentioned, we provided APFA with the WARN letter today, which provides the federally required 60 day notice for furloughs.
We also sent a letter via certified mail today to all flight attendants currently on Overage Leave that cancels their leaves effective July 1. This letter requires a response within 10 days of receipt as to whether these flight attendants on Overage Leave plan to return to active status effective July 2. Flight attendants who do not respond in time, or who do not want to return to active status, will be considered to have resigned from the company. Those flight attendants who still wish to be on an Overage Leave will be able to bid on the new Overage Leave proffer that opened today. These Overage Leaves will, of course, be awarded in seniority order.
Today we opened a new proffer for a 12-month key block Overage Leave that will be effective July 2, 2003 through the end of the contractual month of June 2004. There will also be auxiliary blocks of three months, which will be July through September 2003, and nine months, which will be October 2003 through June 2004. This proffer will close on Monday, May 12, at 8:00 A.M. CDT. To submit a bid for this proffer, use HISEND Form 32. The Overage Leave proffer is open to any flight attendant, whether currently on Overage Leave or not. Keep in mind that those flight attendants who are subject to furlough are not eligible to bid.
We also opened a proffer for Partnership Flying today, for the contractual months of July, August and September 2003. If you are interested in Partnership Flying, you and your identified partner must submit HISEND Form 20. This proffer will also close on Monday, May 12, at 8:00 A.M. CDT.
Effective today, flight attendants are able to place their name on the transfer list for STL using standard domestic transfer entries. For reference, the entry is 3C/T/STL-D. Let me be clear, this entry is to place your name on the list to transfer to S-T-L, not to S-L-T. SLT is the base code for flying on AA aircraft under the AA operating certificate. There are a number of flight attendants that already have their names on the transfer list for S-L-T. Flight attendants on this list will be contacted by Crew Planning via HI6 message to determine if they wish to transfer to S-T-L. We will pull the list of names on the voluntary STL transfer list on Monday, May 12 and start to notify flight attendants of their training dates.
Finally, we will be sending “subject to furlough†letters this week to those affected flight attendants with the lowest system seniority numbers. The most senior flight attendant receiving this letter will have an AA System Seniority number of 18399, with an Occupational Seniority Date of April 9, 1999. Flight attendants who are subject to furlough are not eligible to proffer for the new Overage Leaves or Partnership Flying.
Starting May 12, we will review the results of the new Overage Leave and Partnership Flying proffers, including those flight attendants who may or may not return from their current Overage Leave. We will also look at the transfer requests for STL to determine if enough flight attendants have volunteered to go to the STL base. If we do not have enough volunteers, then we will begin to involuntarily assign flight attendants into the STL base under the provisions of Article 16 of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
We expect to announce the results of the Overage Leaves and Partnership Flying no later than May 14, and we will determine the voluntary and involuntary STL transfers no later than May 16. As always, we will publish the highest seniority number of the flight attendant at each base holding an Overage Leave, Partnership Flying, and the STL transfer on the Flight Service website. Flight attendants who will be transferring to STL will also be advised by HI6 message of their training date.
This is a lot of information to digest all at once. These are large numbers and even though they’ve been out there floating around, now that they confirmed and added together, I know that it is distressing. The truth is, this is a big impact, and there is no way to avoid the reality that thousands of outstanding flight attendants will be leaving the company.
Earlier this week, I said that the road ahead of us will continue to test our resolve for saving American Airlines. It is very difficult to convey the deep sense of regret I feel on this hotline. These steps are truly heart wrenching, and there is no good way to deliver this kind of news. But I have committed that I will be honest and direct with you and I will continue to provide you with the best information we have. That is what I have done here and I will continue to do as we go forward.
I recognize that this is very difficult news for many of you, and you will be experiencing a myriad of emotions. As we move through this process, many of you will have questions that you will need to have answered. We have a number of channels in place to answer questions and provide information. Please do not hesitate to use them. There is a lot of information that will help to answer your questions on the Flight Service website. We will do everything possible to ensure that once we have information, that we get it to you so that you will have the information you need to make decisions and plans.
In the coming days, please continue to fly safely and keep your focus on the safety and service that are so vital to our success right now. Every customer we’re able to keep today will only speed our recovery tomorrow. I’ll be back with another Update as more information becomes available. Please take care of yourselves and each other. We have some difficult days ahead.
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Recall rights remain unchanged at 5 years.
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Kirkpatrick,
I would assume that once the nAAtives are forced into STL, that there will most likely be a recall election and new representatives will be found. People aren't going to like seeing Sherry Cooper running the base from the unions side. It only takes 30% of the base to sign the petition for the vote. I can't imagine that it will be too hard for that to happen. It really is a sad day for every employee at AA! I hope things start to turn around soon.
I would assume that once the nAAtives are forced into STL, that there will most likely be a recall election and new representatives will be found. People aren't going to like seeing Sherry Cooper running the base from the unions side. It only takes 30% of the base to sign the petition for the vote. I can't imagine that it will be too hard for that to happen. It really is a sad day for every employee at AA! I hope things start to turn around soon.
The joke around here is that the only difference between the STL flight attendants and the nAAtive flight attendants is that the nAAtive flight attendants still ovulate.
Everyone is frustrated right now but try to remember that anyone that gets transfered to STL was willing to strike over the wages that you took full advantage of over the past 2 years. I hardly think that would classify them as scabs. So take it back! or I''ll tell mama!
Everyone is frustrated right now but try to remember that anyone that gets transfered to STL was willing to strike over the wages that you took full advantage of over the past 2 years. I hardly think that would classify them as scabs. So take it back! or I''ll tell mama!
That''s right IORFA, it''s a sad day indeed. And it''s getting crazier and more bizare all the time. Sherry Cooper will have to represent all the "SCAABS" that will be flying out of STL. Anyway you look at it, after Jul 1st, AA will have an entire base of "SCAABS". Something to be proud of, isn''t it?
Actually, when organized labor groups from the city of STL and the state of Missouri get wind of this, there will be boycotts and picketing. Any AA native that comes and replaces any original TWA person will be considered a SCAB, or in this case a "SCAAB". (AA inflight is full of SCAABS, anyway). Un-American Airlines hates negitive publicity, and they will certainly hate his.
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On 4/30/2003 3:13:23 PM F/A TWAA wrote:
That''s right IORFA, it''s a sad day indeed. And it''s getting crazier and more bizare all the time. Sherry Cooper will have to represent all the "SCAABS" that will be flying out of STL. Anyway you look at it, after Jul 1st, AA will have an entire base of "SCAABS". Something to be proud of, isn''t it?
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On 4/30/2003 3:13:23 PM F/A TWAA wrote:
That''s right IORFA, it''s a sad day indeed. And it''s getting crazier and more bizare all the time. Sherry Cooper will have to represent all the "SCAABS" that will be flying out of STL. Anyway you look at it, after Jul 1st, AA will have an entire base of "SCAABS". Something to be proud of, isn''t it?
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I think you need to get your terminology corrected. no one is crossing a picket line to work in STL. not like some of the people who already work there.
