Attn Awa Employees
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FlyUs
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- Jul 28, 2004
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AA191 does not work for AA.Light Years said:Hi there, no need to apologize because what you are saying makes very little sense to begin with.
What are you talking about anyway? Do you even know what an E190 is? Or that no one operates them yet? What would entail "staying the same", oh dear AA friend? What is your cheeseburger/change example in reference too?
Both airlines already contract out the majority of thier Express flying which has resulted in an appalling product, skyrocketing CASM, and outrageous fee per departure agreements... why do the same to mainline? If you were to change something, like what I think you're getting at in the heart attack scenario, it would be to stop the disease of outsourcing, and draw a line at full-on narrowbody flying.
If AA wants to "change it's habits" and let American Connection fly the MD80s (oh sorry, "Super" 80 "Luxury" Liners) instead of do it themselves, then you guys go for it. But we here at HP/US would like to fly our own planes, thank you.
If we are a recovering heart attack patient in the hospital, we can do without the advice of the nosey, delusional oldtimer in the next bed who is just now going into cardiac arrest. You stay behind your curtain and eat your jello.
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Light Years
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- Aug 27, 2002
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FlyUs said:
Well, regardless, thier post was silly. They are welcome to respond and tell us how contracting out the narrowbody flying is a smart idea.
Old school thinking VS. New school thinking. Things change in a merger. USAirways is where it is for many reasons.
FYI - I do not work for American - I work with and consult to a corporate aviation flight department and fly all over the world on the commercial airlines. In fact, I worked for UA for 8 years and BA for several more.
FYI - I do not work for American - I work with and consult to a corporate aviation flight department and fly all over the world on the commercial airlines. In fact, I worked for UA for 8 years and BA for several more.
Groucho
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- May 13, 2003
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Dear AWA/US employees,
The time is now to ensure that future E190 series flying stays on the mainlaine.
It may however require some sacrifice in pay rates and working conditions/rig to ensure it stays mainline.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that these aircraft are getting bigger, but it also is clear that the product produced by Mesa and others in not in line with what makes a good traveling experience.
US Airways contract language allows for some of these aircraft to be flown by affiliate of wholey owned. The interperation of the various LOA's regarding who flys what are in grievence. The plain truth is that the company underestimated the industry conditions, like many others.
A proposal I have made to one of our LEC reps is that we open pay rates for this aircraft at those at Jetblue, the primary competitor with this aircraft type, with the provisio that in addition to listed pay the pilots receive bonus, profit sharing or stock option value. What I mean by this is that the future combined AWA/US will be able to match Jetblue pilot costs exactly no more and certainly not less.
This may seem extreem given that the rates are low but we should ensure that this flying is inhouse or we will never get it back.
By my count, it could be off, there are 47AWA 737's and 117 US 737's. At 11 pilots per aircraft, a rough estimate, we are looking at 1804 lost jobs.
These need to stay mainline.
Any ideas on how to keep this flying??
The time is now to ensure that future E190 series flying stays on the mainlaine.
It may however require some sacrifice in pay rates and working conditions/rig to ensure it stays mainline.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that these aircraft are getting bigger, but it also is clear that the product produced by Mesa and others in not in line with what makes a good traveling experience.
US Airways contract language allows for some of these aircraft to be flown by affiliate of wholey owned. The interperation of the various LOA's regarding who flys what are in grievence. The plain truth is that the company underestimated the industry conditions, like many others.
A proposal I have made to one of our LEC reps is that we open pay rates for this aircraft at those at Jetblue, the primary competitor with this aircraft type, with the provisio that in addition to listed pay the pilots receive bonus, profit sharing or stock option value. What I mean by this is that the future combined AWA/US will be able to match Jetblue pilot costs exactly no more and certainly not less.
This may seem extreem given that the rates are low but we should ensure that this flying is inhouse or we will never get it back.
By my count, it could be off, there are 47AWA 737's and 117 US 737's. At 11 pilots per aircraft, a rough estimate, we are looking at 1804 lost jobs.
These need to stay mainline.
Any ideas on how to keep this flying??
