Another 320/700 Diatribe

[USA320Pilot]

700UW:

US Airways must have the cost cuts in place to have enough liquidity to provide cash payments for the "buy out". If US Airways does not have the cuts in place, for whatever reason, the "buy outs" and/ore severance pay will be in jeopordy.

Speaking of passing false information, there is nobody on this message board who has done more harm to their colleagues than you. The IAM provided the airline with the greatest giveback and the highest percentage giveback from the pre-bankruptcy "ask", largely due to attitudes like your own.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[700UW]

The attitude I have has nothing do with what happened between the IAM and US Airways. Since you are not an IAM member, nor an IAM representative nor a member of the IAM Negotiating Committee I would not expect you to actually understand what transpired.

And lets add up all the concessions and I believe your group wins hands down and your group was always the first to wave the white flag in surrender.

You are the king of misinformation, did you study the works of certain propaganda minister in WWII?

This is Roy Freundlich with US Airways an MEC update for Friday, July 26, with two new items:
Item 1. Today the Charlotte Observer published an anti-union editorial from one of our pilots, titled "Unions can Sink US Airways," that aggressively promotes management’s objectives on achieving concessions from other labor groups. The editorial goes so far as to suggest that the CWA union leadership, who represent customer service employees, is misleading their members on their negotiating activity, and implies that management’s side of a dispute is more accurate.

This editorial does not in any way represent ALPA’s position, understanding, or sentiment, on other unions and their sincere efforts to represent their members. ALPA has received no reports, nor would it assign any value to reports, that suggest that any union is misleading their membership. The pilot author of the editorial holds no union position in ALPA. The anti-union public statements from one of our pilot-ALPA members is regrettable.

We urge all pilots to contact their reps or the Comm Center for accurate updates on restructuring negotiations and the activity of other unions. We also request that all pilots refrain from promoting any management anti-union propaganda or chastise other employees in the media. There is little to be gained from such activity other than embarrassment for yourself, your fellow pilots, US Airways, and ALPA.

Gee I wonder who they are talking about?

 

[USA320Pilot]

700UW:

You continue to cut and paste this post over-and-over again, even though you were told the reason behind Roy's comments. Your purposeful misinformation campaign clearly shows your lack of integrity and speaks volumes about your character.

This is the second time this week you have purposely mnisrepresented information about me, but in a way, it's a compliment becuase you cannot dispute the truth and must revert to distortion.

It's really too bad, but you and other's have contributed to your own job loss and are your own worst enemy.

When would now be a good time for you to show some character and to grow up?

By the way, which employee group provided the greatest percentage giveback over the company's pre-bankruptcy "ask"? Moreover, do you have the courage to answer the question and engage in a mature conversation or not?

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[pitguy]

I am surprised the company does not come back one more time to take some more money from the pilot group. It appears there may still be more money to get from that group and that the pilots would still vote 'yes' for it.


--I write this as it appears to me that all other groups including reservations have given all they can while it seems that the pilot group can still give more and the company may just need another concession from them if it is going to make it.

 

[700UW]

Charecter?

Something you know nothing about.

Lets see you were Dave Siegel's #1 fan, then when he terminated your pension plan you hated him, called for ALPA to strike and told the whole board you were quitting and taking a foreign flying job, then you loved Dave Siegel again and pledged your undying support for him.

A man with charecter does not change his stance time after time, the above paragraph speaks for itself.

See I take a position and stand up for my principles and beliefs, you cannot say the same.

You post more outright false information then the whole boards combined.

Lets see the never occuring ICT/UCT with UAL.
The IAM Painful Clause
The company winning the airbus arbitration
The UCT/ICT with NWA
The company moving maintenance to a place that english is not spoken.

Do I need to continue?

Which group gave the most in the three rounds of concessions?

Survey Says ALPA!

And like I said you are not a MEC Rep nor a member of the ALPA negotiating committee. All you are is someone who is a legend in his own mind.

At least I know what I am and what I have been doing for the past several months, unlike you who cant understand that you are nothing more then a REGULAR line pilot.

And my job is not going anywhere, you all think you know what I do, but I hold seniority in more then one classification. Don't worry I will still be employed, sorry to burst your bubble there.

And like I said you are not an IAM member, a representative nor a member of the Negotiating Committee, so once again I can undertand why you have no idea or clue of what transpired at CCY between the IAM and the company, all you do is speculate which is worthless.

And your own union knows all about you.

 

[Squonk]

Come on you two...take it outside. This isn't the time or place.

 

[justaumechanic]

The CWA contract permits the company to close a reservations sales office and gives the company the right to select the facility it elects to operate. Judge Mitchell has a responsibility to the creditor's first, but in the past he has virtually always sided with management.

Meanwhile, I bet the CWA objection could jeopordize the CWA's "buy out" provision.

The CWA's move could slow down the pending consolidation, but I expect the court to rule on the CWA's motion in the not-so-distant future.

Best regards,

USA320Pilot

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What would be really nice is if ALPA would sign an agreement that allows pilots from other airlines to fly US Airways aircraft so the company could farm out all of the flying..

Similar to what AirTran did with their A320 fleet.. Let Ryan do the flying and US Airways just paints the plane.. Then you could lose your job and fly for Bobs local Service flying aircraft parts in the middle of the night..

If ALPA signed you would be the first whinny cry baby on here posting how you got sold out.. Whaaaaa..

 

[700UW]

They all ready have alot of flying farmed out to Mesa, Transtates, Chatauqua, Colgan and anyone else who has a RJ or turboprop.

# of mainline flights: 1,150
# of express flights: 1,966.

 

[USA320Pilot]

700UW:

There you go again...more misrepresentation, which is becoming more and more normal for you. I have answered your comments over-and-over again, but let me try one last time, and go very, very slow for you, since you cannot seem to understand basic english.

700UW said: Lets see the never occuring ICT/UCT with UAL.

USA320Pilot comments: US Airways and UAL negotiated a deal, but it did not proceed because SARS and the Iraqi War both ended to soon. UAL did not violate the terms of its DIP financing and was not forced to sell assets. In four separate interviews, which you read on this board, David Bronner publicly said he was interested in buying UAL assets for US Airways. Furthermore, on my jumseat just prior to leaving the company Dave Siegel told the F/O and I about the UCT/ICT.

700UW said: The IAM Painful Clause.

USA320Pilot comments: You're kidding right. The company elected to use the S.1113 process instead and the IAM will have huge job loss and will now give the greatest dollar concession as well as the greatest percentage giveback increase from the pre-bankruptcy "ask". That's pretty painful in my view, especially for those like you who are losing their job.

700UW said: The company winning the airbus arbitration

USA320Pilot comments: Earlier tonight in a previous post I said I thought the company would win the Arbitration, but I was wrong. However, the company was able to outsource Airbus work through the S.1113(e) process and has obtained other outsourcing "rights" too.

700UW said: The UCT/ICT with NWA.

USA320Pilot comments: I never used those terms, but Northwest did appraoch teh company about a deal. The problem, Northwest wanted it to be fragmentation and US Airways wanted a merger, thus US Airways stopped the talks.

700UW: The company moving maintenance to a place that english is not spoken.

USA320Pilot comments: Again, purposeful misinformation on your part. I said that maintenance could have been moved to where english was not spoken very well, and there was a plan to do so, but the company obtained greater than their pre-bankruptcy "ask" through the S.1113 process and the IAM agreeing the company's last proposal, thus the IAM gave the airline about $100 million more per year than was asked.

I find it interesting that you have to continuously misrepresent, but I am really not surprised after witnessing some of your posts as the "bitter" deleted by mod, Lavman, and 700UW.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[pitguy]

They still need to get the pilot group at a lower compensation level or all of this moving of revs is in vain. I would say about another 25% in pay for the pilots. Then the company may stand a chance. If not lights out.

 

[700UW]

You have a serious reality problem.

Seek profesional help immediatly.

Do you actually believe what you post?

Your postings have more holes then a hunk of swiss cheese.

Shall I go through all your posts and show you what you said and when?

 

[AC/CF]

Would you two please start your own thread and leave this one alone. I would like to see some info regarding the topic

 

[jack mama]

700, give it a rest...everyone on the board knows the iam took the biggest hit, the assumption is because of their negotiation stance (ie the concession stand is closed). Well, it turns out the concession stand was not closed, now was it. I'm sure there are plenty of IAM members who are more than unhappy with the way it went down, and I'm sure the IAM will never tell them how it really went down anyways.

About the thread at hand....I would say its a little too late for the CWA to stand up to the company now. They don't have a leg to stand on.

 

[SpinDoc]

What would be really nice is if ALPA would sign an agreement that allows pilots from other airlines to fly US Airways aircraft so the company could farm out all of the flying..

Similar to what AirTran did with their A320 fleet.. Let Ryan do the flying and US Airways just paints the plane.. Then you could lose your job and fly for Bobs local Service flying aircraft parts in the middle of the night..

Justa:

Funny you should say that. In a pure business
sense, wouldn't it be prefectly practical to
hire the least expensive contractor to do a
specific job? Maybe the company should have
done some studies pitting outside contract
carriers (Mesa and such) against the cost of
doing business with company flight crews
and presented it to Judge Mitchell. If the
contracts for the outside vendor were lower,
what make you think the judge would not rule
in favor of the company?

That gives me an idea. Hmmm. The other
legacy carriers are just about ready to
go through the same BK process that US
and UAL have used to lower costs, and
if I can get a significant amount of venture
capital behind a contract carrier and
offer the lowest bid, maybe I could make
some green with this idea.

 

[delldude]

US Airways must have the cost cuts in place to have enough liquidity to provide cash payments for the "buy out". If US Airways does not have the cuts in place, for whatever reason, the "buy outs" and/ore severance pay will be in jeopordy.

dude its all in jeopardy now.......company was looking for 500 mech's to retire pre 3-1-05...guess what... they got around 170 right now.....the 500 is supposed to offset paying out huge amounts of severance to less senior mech's thus saving the company lots of monetary pain...oh,the 170 you ask?? well let me tell you...most will recind their retirements before 3-1-05....
must be a biggie....heard the company's in the panic mode...maybe why they are meeting this week in ccy to "sweeten" the deal before the 2-15 deadline.....
like local lodge prez frank schifano said...."they are gambling that 500 will retire"...
looks like this gamble can and will put them in monetary jeopardy and run down their cash on hand.......
could this salvo the transformation plan??