Americans New Web Site For China

[FA Mikey]

fly aa to china

American is working harder yet this time around. Asking employees and customers for help in making there case for the new China route. This on top of everything else they must do. Let this be one of the last things gw does before leaving office come January.

 

[Fly]

Were they turned down already once? Wouldn't they have to take the route away from another airline to give it to AA? If that's the case, I wouldn't count on it....now if JetBlue applied for China, they'd probably get it

 

[jimntx]

Were they turned down already once? Wouldn't they have to take the route away from another airline to give it to AA? If that's the case, I wouldn't count on it....now if JetBlue applied for China, they'd probably get it

[post="188022"][/post]​

No, a new air service agreement allows additional flights by UAL and NW this year and 1 or 2 new airlines next year. IIRC one can be passenger and one strictly freight. It would not be JetBlue.

But then, if all of UAL's authorities are vacated and made available next year, who knows?

 

[Fly]

Wow, you sound a little anxious and excited to see United fail. Be careful what you wish for, AA is hanging by a thread too. BTW, the JetBlue comment was a joke, hence the winking smilie. If AA was already turned down *which seems to be the case since it says 'reconsideration', I wouldn't put too much chance on getting it.

 

[jimntx]

Wow, you sound a little anxious and excited to see United fail. Be careful what you wish for, AA is hanging by a thread too. BTW, the JetBlue comment was a joke, hence the winking smilie. If AA was already turned down *which seems to be the case since it says 'reconsideration', I wouldn't put too much chance on getting it.

[post="188028"][/post]​

Try to learn the correct terminology. Multiple airlines, including NW and UAL, applied for the last round of route authorities. It is not a question of AA and others being "turned down." The term used is "the routes were awarded to UAL and NW." I didn't notice you mentioning UAL was "turned down" on the HNL-NRT route authorities awarded to AA earlier this year.

It's a reconsideration of the previous application. Nothing has changed about AA's app. It is still an app to provide Chicago-Shanghai passenger and cargo service on a daily basis; so, why bother submitting a new one when the DOT already has a copy. It's the way things are done at the DOT.

Considering your previous digs at AA, I doubt seriously that it was a joke on your part. But just for the record, I won't live long enough to bid and hold a Chicago-Shanghai line because I only have 3 years with AA and I'm already 59. The really plum International routes require at least 15-20 years seniority. So, whether UAL fails or survives won't make much difference to me one way or the other.

 

[TWAnr]

If AA was already turned down *which seems to be the case since it says 'reconsideration', I wouldn't put too much chance on getting it.

[post="188028"][/post]​

Fly,

According to the bi-lateral treaty, only the "Legacy" carriers, i.e., UAL and NW, were eligible for the earlier awards for additional flights.

The next round of route and frequencies awards is for carriers new to the US - China market, i.e., American, Delta, Continental, etc.

AA was not awarded any frequencies in the last round because it was not a "Legacy" carrier in the market and thus ineligible. The fact that it received no route authorities by reason of its ineligibility in the first round has no bearing on the pending application.

 

[FA Mikey]

Were they turned down already once? Wouldn't they have to take the route away from another airline to give it to AA? If that's the case, I wouldn't count on it....now if JetBlue applied for China, they'd probably get it

[post="188022"][/post]​

We were turned down, in the last treaty a few years ago. We came in second to UPS. One new passenger carrier will be awarded service by the end of the year.

True if JB wants anything they get it. Chuck Schumer makes sure of that. But todays golden child and wave of the future, should enjoy there time in the sun. Because cloudy days do happen by, from time to time.

Hope all is well up in your neck of the woods.

 

[FA Mikey]

Considering your previous digs at AA, I doubt seriously that it was a joke on your part. But just for the record, I won't live long enough to bid and hold a Chicago-Shanghai line because I only have 3 years with AA and I'm already 59. The really plum International routes require at least 15-20 years seniority. So, whether UAL fails or survives won't make much difference to me one way or the other.

[post="188035"][/post]​

Fly is not one for digs against AA any more than I have them for UAL. We do though share a bizzare scence of humor and sacasm. I wish 15 to 20 would get me that. Right now GIG with the 12 hour layover is going 32 for the crappy days worked. You and I will both be dead before we see anything like that. Or at the very least hoping we were if we have to stay that long.

 

[FWAAA]

Fly,

According to the bi-lateral treaty, only the "Legacy" carriers, i.e., UAL and NW, were eligible for the earlier awards for additional flights.

The next round of route and frequencies awards is for carriers new to the US - China market, i.e., American, Delta, Continental, etc.

AA was not awarded any frequencies in the last round because it was not a "Legacy" carrier in the market and thus ineligible. The fact that it received no route authorities by reason of its ineligibility in the first round has no bearing on the pending application.

[post="188053"][/post]​

Exactly. I assume that AA applied for the 2004 frequencies several months ago (despite not being eligible since it isn't UA or NW) to protect against the extremely unlikely event of a UAL liquidation in mid-2004. Of course, UAL did not liquidate, and thus, of course, AA could not be awarded the 2004 frequencies.

If I read the amendments to the treaty correctly, two new carriers will be chosen, one to begin 2005 flights and one to begin 2006 flights. CO applied for both 2005 and also for 2006, in case they lose the 2005 designation.

Any ideas why AA didn't apply in the alternative like CO did? Confidence that AA will be selected for 2005?

 

[Fly]

Considering your previous digs at AA, I doubt seriously that it was a joke on your part.

[post="188035"][/post]​

My digs against AA? No ..... have family there. Family is family......that's that.

 

[AirDude]

Since AA is so eager to fly to Asia,then why not go back to TPE ?
Is it because this market does not make money that is why AA is not willing
to fly again ?

Thank you

 

[FA Mikey]

Since AA is so eager to fly to Asia,then why not go back to TPE ?
Is it because this market does not make money that is why AA is not willing
to fly again ?

Thank you

[post="188501"][/post]​

AA is looking at bringing back TPE.

 

[AirDude]

AA is looking at bringing back TPE.

[post="188506"][/post]​

Oh yeah ?? ^_^

Do you know approximately when that will happen ?

Thank you

 

[AC AA LA FA]

I understand that TPE is dead-
they want mainland China-not to cool to serve TPE when snuggeling up to the Chinese govt- at this point at least.....

 

[FA Mikey]

I understand that TPE is dead-
they want mainland China-not to cool to serve TPE when snuggeling up to the Chinese govt- at this point at least.....

[post="188518"][/post]​

It doesn't have to be one or the other. Many US and non US carriers serve both TPE and mainland China. The Chinese goverment has no say in the award of who flys there. Its the DOT office. I heard it from the sales staff and the base manager at the last purser meeting.