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It is amazing! Most Anti-TWU Advocates got elected to the TWU Locals and now the TWU has no blame in our situation.

It is now Tulsa Based Employees, AA Management, Government, and Bonus Awards.

I still see the problem the same. The TWU is sold out to the company within the Appointed Leadership and nothing has changed just because a few dissidents were elected to Local Office. I bet they even have grandios ideas about changes at the TWU International Convention. I got news for you fellows, far more organized change advocates have failed before you at change from within. You know it, you have seen the documented proof yourself, and you are not going to fix this union from within.

Go ahead, enjoy your extra pay credit for being elected, but please stop the charade and blame, you sound just like TeAAm TWU leaders from the AMFA Drive days.

What is amazing is your inability to look forward. Where have I ever stated that the twu has no blame? Until the twu has all union officers elected by the full membership, from top to bottom, then the twu is flawed. True democracy can not be "half-way". But between your typing comments on what you identify as amazing I am sure you knew this.

Tulsa based employees are not to blame. That comment sounds like a burchette post... divide and conquer. Tulsa AMTs and Line AMTs belong to the same craft and need each other. What is needed is full open lines of communication between all locals and we have that now. How's that for amazing?

I have no grandios ideas on anything I do. Am I a dissident? Depends on who you ask. I have been elected into office by a membership that wanted a change. As my earlier post indicates I believe that change is happening. Will change happen at the convention? Who knows? But at least at the local level change is happening.

The only thing I am enjoying prior to being elected is the chance to represent those who elected me into office. I don't remember team twu having elected positions. Actually, team twu was created for one purpose and that was to prevent a true democracy from being elected at AA.
 
I'm in 100% agreement. Any one of those modifications would eliminate a lot of the posturing that goes on from both sides.

Your quotation of my response to both you and Bob was predicated on an inability to overturn the NWA Flight Attendants decision by a Higher Federal Court.

I still believe that the saner course of conduct for all parties is a return to the original intent of the RLA: status quo. In the event that a party "encumbered" by a CBA seeks abrogation through Sect. 1113 of the Bankruptcy code, the harmed party should be immediately freed to seek the self-help provisions authorized by the RLA.

Given a balance between the needs of the parties and the interests of the membership, democracy or change of represenation will occur within the Unions. A Union freed to self help that refuses to allow a vote implementing self-help will be booted from the property by the membership. A Union freed to self help that allows a vote wil remain. Put the onus for the vote for or against self help first on the Union and secondarily on the membership: allow the membership to decide based on their interests or put the heat on the Union Leadership for refusing the will of the Majority.

The only reason that I believe this ruling did not proceed to appeal is because all of the parties: Unions, Airline Management and the Federal Government, recognized an opportunity to expend less effort and money by simply allowing it to go unchallenged.

Failure to challenge the NWA Decision creates the bypass around status quo and everyone gets to claim that another BK filing will potentially harm all sides given the BK revisions which DAL and NWA filed prior to their enforceable date: therefore, labor must take the proffered hit rather than the implied hit.

End game: airlines are free to continue business in ways which harm shareholder value while the unions continue to collect dues. If the games get screwed, just go to BK and pass those costs to labor; after all the Unions still get paid, the members still get the shaft.
 
Bob, As long as this ruling stands, any RLA covered entity can file for Sect. 1113 of the Bankruptcy Code and abrogate any Union Agreement while still retaining the requierement that all covered menebers of the closed shop Union must remit a portion of their wages as a condition of employment


You have to remember that my belief is that the courts overstepped their authority. They rewrote the contracts and set the terms as per the corporations requests without consideration for the workers. If our system has become so dominated by the power of Capital that workers rights are no longer a consideration then its a system that workers should not support, thats why I advocate politically motivated General Strikes under the protection of the 1st and 4th Amendments. We still have the right to peaceful assembly and protection from the illegal siezure of our property (our labor).(At least according to the Bill Of Rights if not the courts.)

The fact is that the courts allowed every other party(all corporations) to the BK filings the right continue to set terms at their discretion. They may have lost debts owed to them(which the government then allows them to use to offset their tax liabilities) but they were not forced to continue to supply the applicant under terms that they had no part in setting. The oil companies continued to raise their prices, airport authorities continued to raise their prices and taxes continued to be collected, only workers saw their labor confiscated for the benifit of the bankrupt corporation. This to me is a seperate issue from union democracy, the only tie in is that the unions did nothing to protect the workers from this injustice. Unions are supposed to negotiate for the workers but the courts took away that power, however unions were left in place to enforce the deals.


The legislative rationale for requiring workers under the RLA to be forced to pay Union or Agency Dues to any Labor Union, is, in my opinion based on the fact that only the Executive Branch and/or Congress (be it by action or inaction) could dictate the terms of a CBA governed by the RLA. The continuation of service was predicated on the continuation of the terms and agreements within the Union Members CBA. The forced solicitation of dues was a by-product of the continuation of the CBA and the costs of negotiations so that the Unions could maintain funding at the same rate the companies could continue to earn the revenue produced through Union effort.

As the Mediator said referring to the unions accepting the RLA back in 1926 "They enterred into a deal with the devil". The unions were given assurances in return for giving up their rights. They were promised that the Status quo would be maintained and the unions could have mandatory dues payments from their members. So it wasnt a Byproduct it was bait.

The purpose of the RLA was to insure that no matter what the rails still moved. In order to do that the supply of Labor had to be guaranteed, the government had to find a way to do that without running afoul of the 13th amendment so they came up with the RLA. Contracts were made interminable. The owners could not use economic downturns to set back wages and the workers could not withdraw their labor. Workers were protected, unions were protected, companies were protected, tax revenues from commerce were protected and the public was guaranteed access to the services. However government has broken the deal in favor of corporations, all the restrictions to labor still apply, however the guarantees to workers have been removed, unions are still collecting their dues so they are reluctant to fight for their members beyond the minimum required by their Duty of Fair Representation (they can claim they represent the members even though they failed to lead).

Absent that rationale, the closed shop provisions of the RLA for the forced payment of members dues are a direct form of taxation without representation.

I guess the same arguement applies to Federal Income tax as well since the Federal Government is bascally an agent of Capital and not "the people". The unions take our money and fail to lead, the government takes our money and acts in the interest of Capital.

Thusly one of the following provisions of the RLA must be eliminated: the closed-shop provisions of the RLA, airline coverage under the RLA or the entire RLA.

Or retroactively restore the protections that the act gave to workers. However I would rather see the entire Act eradicated and allow us to reorganize under the NLRA. As a worker in a high cost area the act has only brought hardship.

End game: airlines are free to continue business in ways which harm shareholder value while the unions continue to collect dues. If the games get screwed, just go to BK and pass those costs to labor; after all the Unions still get paid, the members still get the shaft.

Shareholders that invest in the airlines to make money will get screwed, but shareholders that invest money to control the airlines (over 90% of the ownership of AMR is institutional) make out like bandits. The whole industry is basically a money laundering scheme and everyone makes out except the workers. $23.7 Billion went through AA last year, more than ever before, the productivity per worker was higher than ever before, the yields were also very high yet they still managed to post losses. The more we give up the more everyone else gets to raise their prices. While we give more for less everyone else gives less for more. Just look at landing Fees and rents, despite cutbacks in flights these charges increased.

Getting back on Topic.

I commend the guys at Local 565 for their efforts. Some call them (us) turncoats, but what exactly did they-or we- turn on? What are the options? Just accept the status quo and current direction and do nothing but gripe, or try to enact change through the avenues that are available?

The fact of the matter is that while my beliefs in unionism are idealogical my choice to take the role I have is driven by economics. I'd have no problem doing just my 40 and supporting unionism through dues, showing up at functions and at the ballott box, if I thought that unions were doing the right thing and I was getting an "adequate" wage. I actually like being an aircraft mechanic, but just because I enjoy it that doesnt mean that I should give it away and my family should suffer. As a mechanic I produce a lot a value, and I should be compensated for it.

From what I know of the guys at 565 they also like being mechanics. They are trying to restore the profession and change the TWU. Some say "impossible" but the fact is we are trying, whats their approach? Wait until things get bad enough in Tulsa so that they demand change? We will be bankrupt and long gone by then.
 
Bob,

IMHO, this type of ruling falls under the ruberic of "Dredd Scott" on at least three levels.

1) The Unions covered by the RLA are comfortable with this ruling because they now have no incentive to fight for "reasonable accomodation" with companies filing for Sect. 1113 relief under the BK code: they can just present the company demands to labor as a "fait-accompli." Thus their duty of fair representation is moot and their reason for existence eliminated...


...No arguement there. The six figure earning appointed officials of the unions had no incentive to take on the combined forces of Capital and Government, and we all got screwed. They still live comfortably though...


Bob,
When the Union, TWU, is prevented by the Federal Courts from self-help after a Bankruptcy Court Imposed Contract, as were the NWA Flight Attendants: how can you state that those jobs were Union Protected? As long as this ruling stands, any RLA covered entity can file for Sect. 1113 of the Bankruptcy Code and abrogate any Union Agreement while still retaining the requierement that all covered menebers of the closed shop Union must remit a portion of their wages as a condition of employment.

You have already agreed that the Unions will do so....



Bob,
We agreed that the current disposition of the major airlines' Union's were comfortable with the position held with respect to the Federal Courts v. NWA FA.

Given your current responsibilities, and the degree to which you aspire to create more democratic representation within the Union structure: I wholly support your efforts.
 
Bob,
We agreed that the current disposition of the major airlines' Union's were comfortable with the position held with respect to the Federal Courts v. NWA FA.

Given your current responsibilities, and the degree to which you aspire to create more democratic representation within the Union structure: I wholly support your efforts.
Thanks
 
Shareholders that invest in the airlines to make money will get screwed, but shareholders that invest money to control the airlines (over 90% of the ownership of AMR is institutional) make out like bandits.

AMR may be 90% institutional, but it's not privately held stock for the institutions' benefit. It's stock held in mutual funds, 401K's, etc., and loss of that value eventually trickles down to guys like you...
 
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