ACLU comes to the Christians' defense

[Gilding the Lily]

For all you naysayers out there:

The ACLU has filed a friend of the court brief on the First Amendment rights of a Naperville, Ill., high school student who wants to wear a T-shirt to school that opposes homosexuality on moral grounds.

The ACLU argues that the school should have allowed students to wear T-shirts that protested homosexuality with slogans such as "Be happy, not gay."

The lawsuit alleges that it is unconstitutional for the school district to prohibit students from wearing T-shirts that object to homosexuality on moral grounds.

This is essentially the same stance that the The Alliance Defense Fund, which litigates on behalf of Christian causes, takes.

Tribune article

 

[Garfield1966]

I can never understand the people who are against the ACLU. The ACLU defends principles of law. I think they have a reputation of being ‘liberal’ because they tend to take up the causes of individuals who the fundamentalist of society are trying to oppress. Whether it be exclusionary policies (Boy Scouts for example) speech issues and the like. This is just one instance where the ACLU is taking up the cause of people who probably derided them in one form or another.

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

Though the ACLU is not without fault, the History(past/present/future) of christianity is...........FAR MORE SCARY, h34r: h34r: .............then the ACLU...EVER thought of being !!!!!!!!!!!!!


In food terms, the ACLU is like a grape(size)

christianity is like a ...WATERMELON

 

[delldude]

I can never understand the people who are against the ACLU. The ACLU defends principles of law. I think they have a reputation of being ‘liberal’ because they tend to take up the causes of individuals who the fundamentalist of society are trying to oppress. Whether it be exclusionary policies (Boy Scouts for example) speech issues and the like. This is just one instance where the ACLU is taking up the cause of people who probably derided them in one form or another.

Children are in school to learn and should not be detracted by such grand standing idiocracy.This why many school districts adopt dress codes.So our school children then should be test beds of the first amendment or places to become productive citizens and further our nation and its ideals?
After all,its friggin' Lib's who are poisoning these young minds in the first place.

 

[tech2101]

After all,its friggin' Lib's who are poisoning these young minds in the first place.

Very weak dude. You can do better than that. C'mon, denounce the ACLU for defending this kid.

 

[Garfield1966]

Children are in school to learn and should not be detracted by such grand standing idiocracy.This why many school districts adopt dress codes.So our school children then should be test beds of the first amendment or places to become productive citizens and further our nation and its ideals?
After all,its friggin' Lib's who are poisoning these young minds in the first place.

Dell,

I think you are missing the point. The school does not have a dress code. Had there been a dress code in place, this would be a non-issue. Seeing as there is no dress code in place, the speech on the shirt is protected and as such, should not be banned on the basis of content. That is what the ACLU is fighting for. Protected free speech.

Aside from that, do you really believe it was the child who came up with thi on their own or do you believe that there may have been a bit of parental encouragement involved?

I am not sure that this is not a better learning example for the kids than what they normally getting their civics class. Kids seem to be growing up quite a bit quicker than when you and I did. As an aside, when I was in high school (9th or 10th as I recall, I had an English teacher who 1 or 2 times a month would just take his class plan for the day and toss it. He would toss out a comment to us. The issues could be political, ethical, social or what have you and we would go at it as a class. I learned more in that hour and a half than in any other class all year. We had a very diverse mix of ethnic, religion, race in our class. he perspectives were very diverse. Anyway, there are times when you can learn more out life by living it than you can out of a book or from a professor.

What better time to learn about freedom of speech and the responsibility that right entails than when you are young?

 

[delldude]

Dell,

I think you are missing the point. The school does not have a dress code. Had there been a dress code in place, this would be a non-issue. Seeing as there is no dress code in place, the speech on the shirt is protected and as such, should not be banned on the basis of content. That is what the ACLU is fighting for. Protected free speech.

Aside from that, do you really believe it was the child who came up with thi on their own or do you believe that there may have been a bit of parental encouragement involved?

I am not sure that this is not a better learning example for the kids than what they normally getting their civics class. Kids seem to be growing up quite a bit quicker than when you and I did. As an aside, when I was in high school (9th or 10th as I recall, I had an English teacher who 1 or 2 times a month would just take his class plan for the day and toss it. He would toss out a comment to us. The issues could be political, ethical, social or what have you and we would go at it as a class. I learned more in that hour and a half than in any other class all year. We had a very diverse mix of ethnic, religion, race in our class. he perspectives were very diverse. Anyway, there are times when you can learn more out life by living it than you can out of a book or from a professor.

What better time to learn about freedom of speech and the responsibility that right entails than when you are young?

Just like your employer,a school has the option to deny such displays.We pissed and moaned over this same subject sometime ago.

 

[Garfield1966]

Good point but the school must have an equal enforcement policy. If they banned all shirts with any writing on them then perhaps there is a case but my guess is not since I doubt the ACLU would get involved in something like that.

 

[700IAM]

Though the ACLU is not without fault, the History(past/present/future) of christianity is...........FAR MORE SCARY, h34r: h34r: .............then the ACLU...EVER thought of being !!!!!!!!!!!!!


In food terms, the ACLU is like a grape(size)

christianity is like a ...WATERMELON

Yea...it's scary all alright when one can see the naked pathetic soul exposed via concernment for what it really is, that's frightening indeed. It’s scares the hell out of every sinner as per divine design---DUH

 

[Garfield1966]

Can you translate that to american? I have no idea what the hell you are babbling about so I don't even know ow to respond.

 

[700IAM]

Can you translate that to american? I have no idea what the hell you are babbling about so I don't even know ow to respond.

They have eyes but don't see...they have ears but don't hear---equals---YOU

 

[Garfield1966]

They have eyes but don't see...they have ears but don't hear---equals---YOU

Are you trying out for the part of Riddler in the next Batman movie?


I still have no idea what you're rambling about. I am starting to wonder if you even have a clue about what you're saying.

 

[Gilding the Lily]

Are you trying out for the part of Riddler in the next Batman movie?


I still have no idea what you're rambling about. I am starting to wonder if you even have a clue about what you're saying.

Sometimes I wonder why people still advocate "computers for the masses." I always knew the cut-and-paste feature would create problems.

 

[delldude]

They have eyes but don't see...they have ears but don't hear---equals---YOU

That deaf,dumb and blind kid sure plays a mean pinball.........