Abuse Of The Alg Mec By Alpa

[the turtle]

FM2436 -"This is simply coming down to an issue of, do you want to be employed and continue to flying, or do you want to be unemployed and not fly."

The issue is why dissolve a 20 year CBA for nothing? The issue here is why would Woerth place Alpa in this position? The ramifications of his actions will be reflected in Alpa negotiations and litigation for years. Alpa doesn't care about the ALG jobs, they do care about the ALG certificate, LOA 83, and the R. White DFR legal proceedings.

Ask any CCAir pilot if DW's motives are pure. He sold them out without merit. Hopefully, the PDT and ALG Mec's can work together and get a merger with straight seniority. Pissed off a lot of Mesa guys to lose seniority but I believe it was the right thing to do. Don't expect ALPA national to give a sh!t one way or another.

Certainly, larger issues are afoot.

 

[bluetoad]

The answer probably can be found by finding out what ALPA national has to gain. They will sell out the junior group to the benefit of the more senior members. This has been their history and it will be repeated again and again. If they cannot get them to agree to lose their jobs willingly, they will resort to strong arm tactics and if that does not work they will hold a "closed session" meeting change the rules and do what they want anyway. Watch and learn :down:

 

[BoeingBoy]

Blue,

I'm certainly in no position to say you're wrong about "The answer probably can be found by finding out what ALPA national has to gain", but I can't see where they have anything to gain.

What I see is U mgt wanting a quick merger, either to lower costs (eliminate duplicate functions) or for a quick sale (raise cash). Mainline MEC is under pressure to "give till it hurts" and hence probably wants the merger to happen fast (some of the pain felt somewhere else). This is probably putting pressure on ALPA national to make something happen fast.

Now, having said that, I agree with the rest of your post.

Jim

 

[OldpropGuy]

Any word of the outcome yet or is the meeting still in progress?

 

[flyin2low]

Something's Up!

It's not gonna be good for ALG.

 

[dbcooper]

Is it possible that ALG pilots by refusing the Company's ultimatum, could declare this to be a major violation of their CBA and go on strike, thus providing a "force majure" event whereby the company could throw out all contracts? If that is a possible scenario, then ALPA has a huge interest in this not happening and would do anything to force the ALG pilots to agree to the Company's ultimatum. Does anyone know if this is possible?

 

[fr8tmastr]

no because the pilots are following the CBA, its the company and ALPA that are trying to circumvent it.

 

[28yearsnojob]

If these pilot give in the out of there minds .alpa should be there to help
not lobby!

 

[bluetoad]

28years,
I agree with you. Is ALPA now the newest weapon for management?

 

[ua767fo]

So what we're the results of the meeting?

Inquiring minds want to know?

DENVER,CO

 

[dashflyer]

Hello, this is the Allegheny MEC code a phone for February 5, 2004.
The MEC met in special session yesterday at ALPA’s Washington DC headquarters. In attendance were the MEC, ALPA Vice President of Administration Capt. Paul Rice, and a staff attorney from ALPA’s Legal Department, Mr. Clay Warner.

The marathon session began just after 1pm, continued past dinner with few breaks, and recessed approximately nine and a half hours later, when there was no longer a quorum, as a number of the MEC members were forced to leave the meeting, to meet work and family obligations. Earlier in the evening, the Company was asked to release some MEC members from duty scheduled for this morning to continue the meeting, however Allegheny and Mid Atlantic Vice President Mike Scrobola personally declined to grant the leave requests.

The published agenda, issued by ALPA President Capt. Duane Woerth, was: quote “Action on formal ratification of the Piedmont Merger Letter(s) of Agreementâ€￾ end quote. Within that agenda, it was determined that four issues would be addressed. They were a policy manual change regarding speaking limits, the 15 day review of all Letters of Agreement by the MEC as required by an MEC resolution dated February 14, 1997, MEC ratification of the proposed merger LOA as opposed to the past practice of pilot ratification for issues related to pay, working conditions, and career security, and the proposed Allegheny / Piedmont merger LOA.

First, a motion was put on the floor to suspend a provision in the ALG Policy Manual, page 29, Points of Order and Decorum, sub point three, which sets limits on the number of times a member may speak to an issue, as well as the duration of their address. That motion was passed unanimously.

Second, a motion was put on the floor to grant a one-time suspension of the required 15 day MEC review of all Letters of Agreement, mandated by an MEC resolution, dated February 14, 1997. The floor opened for debate, however due to a number of parliamentary procedural issues, and subsequent rulings from the chair, the debate could not be closed, and thus, the issue could not be voted on. No other issues were addressed.

During the course of the meeting, a number of MEC members expressed their continued frustration at what they perceived to be the Association’s reluctance to provide economic and financial analysis information, with respect to the pros and cons of either scenario, and the fact that the meeting was called by Capt. Woerth in the absence of what they considered to be that critical information. It should also be noted that the staff attorney present at the meeting was not familiar with our contract, and thus, was not in a position to provide a legal opinion on matters related to our merger and asset transfer contract language.

Lacking a quorum, which is required to conduct business, the meeting was recessed shortly after 10:30 pm, until noon, on Tuesday, February 10th.

All Allegheny ALPA pilots in good standing are urged to contact their representatives at their earliest convenience, and convey to them their position on the issue of pilot versus MEC ratification of the proposed Allegheny / Piedmont merger.

Continue to check this hotline, our website, and crew room bulletin boards for the latest information.

That’s all for this Allegheny MEC update.

 

[ua767fo]

1) the Company was asked to release some MEC members from duty scheduled for this morning to continue the meeting, however Allegheny and Mid Atlantic Vice President Mike Scrobola personally declined to grant the leave requests.

2) The published agenda, issued by ALPA President Capt. Duane Woerth, was: quote “Action on formal ratification of the Piedmont Merger Letter(s) of Agreementâ€￾ end quote.


3) Within that agenda, it was determined that four issues would be addressed. They were a policy manual change regarding speaking limits, the 15 day review of all Letters of Agreement by the MEC as required by an MEC resolution dated February 14, 1997, MEC ratification of the proposed merger LOA as opposed to the past practice of pilot ratification for issues related to pay, working conditions, and career security, and the proposed Allegheny / Piedmont merger LOA.

4) First, a motion was put on the floor to suspend a provision in the ALG Policy Manual, page 29, Points of Order and Decorum, sub point three, which sets limits on the number of times a member may speak to an issue, as well as the duration of their address. That motion was passed unanimously.

5) Second, a motion was put on the floor to grant a one-time suspension of the required 15 day MEC review of all Letters of Agreement, mandated by an MEC resolution, dated February 14, 1997.


6) During the course of the meeting, a number of MEC members expressed their continued frustration at what they perceived to be the Association’s reluctance to provide economic and financial analysis information,


7) All Allegheny ALPA pilots in good standing are urged to contact their representatives at their earliest convenience, and convey to them their position on the issue of pilot versus MEC ratification of the proposed Allegheny / Piedmont merger.

Dashflyer,

Whats the phone number for the ALG ALPA codaphone or where can it be read online?? Thanks in advance. My comments on the above quoted in bullet form:

1) Airways group continues its positively poor treatment of labor, in this case, clearly ALPA Nationals agenda and ALG management's are the same. Once again, we see ALPA trying to represent all pilots, which CAN'T be done. Right now the interests of the ALG pilots are opposed to the USAirways pilots.

2) Pure babble and double speak

3) ALPA National trying to use procedural changes to circumvent MEC members and general membership rights. ALPA National trying to take away the rights of members to self determination.

4) same as 3, seems like they succeded on this point

5) a 15 day review is in place as a "cooling off period", to sit and think about important issues without rushing to judgement. Now more than ever, this 15 day period is needed.

6) Once again proving that ALPA National cannot serve (and will not serve) many masters. Regional pilots interests are NOT aligned with mainline interests.

7) For the general pilot population, few issues can be more important than this. Call your REPs and give them an earfull about how you feel. Its their job to represent YOUR interests.

Best wishes to all of the ALG pilots,

DENVER, CO

 

[flyin2low]

So basically, after 9.5 hours, nothing was accomplished........ :unsure:

 

[Winglet]

It's called the "bum's rush." Another tactic so it'll be a fait acompli before the alg membership know what's going on. "Pound sand" comes to mind as a proper response.

 

[dashflyer]

Don't know if you can read it online.

The number is 1-800-892-ALPA