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Now, you got it!AdAstraPerAspera said:
Haven't you heard, where DL is concerned 3 is the new 1.
AA president Scott Kirby says the carrier seeks to make LAX its "primary Asia-Pacific gateway".
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Haven't you heard, where DL is concerned 3 is the new 1.
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except that DL is not shrinking its LAX presence like AA is doing at JFK.AdAstraPerAspera said:
You did real the stat that AA's NYC - and I even thru in LGA too - capacity is down by 4% this summer, the highest reduction of any domestic carrier besides FL?
And DL has a higher average fare from LAX than AA does, not just across the Pacific but also in the domestic market.
As much as you and others want to measure sustainability by size, US airlines are all for-profit companies and have to deliver returns to their investors.
The fundamental issue for AA at LAX is that it is at a significant revenue disadvantage to DL and UA and that LAX is a highly competitive market.
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and AA's losses on the Pacific continue at this moment.... and nothing yet has been put forward to correct the problem.
It's not rocket science to realize that AA cannot continue to lose hundreds of millions of dollars flying the Pacific and the new bosses aren't going to throw money into the market until they can turn around what they have.
It's not rocket science to realize that AA cannot continue to lose hundreds of millions of dollars flying the Pacific and the new bosses aren't going to throw money into the market until they can turn around what they have.
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the good news is that AA's premium cabin product on the 772 will be similar to the best in class among US carriers at 1-2-1 but AA makes the coach passengers pay for the bar in business class by converting coach to 10 abreast.... IIRC the only US airline to have that on 777s.
AA's total seat count on the 772, even though increased, is still less than most other US carrier 772s
AA's total seat count on the 772, even though increased, is still less than most other US carrier 772s
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do you really think that will change AA's performance to Asia? Does it make you feel better if you don't know that you have a disease even if you really do?
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WorldTraveler said:
Then what, praytell, is the market AA has the best chance winning in, o mighty one? I remember asking this question to you before and never got an answer? OAK? FAT? Will the Asian population in RNO make it an ideal transpac gateway?
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ad, unless it is DL no one will win any market no matter how good they try or how hard they try.... 
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I know, it is getting incredibly irritating how he repeats himself over and over and over and over and over like he has something to say, but it is always the same same same things. And he always manages to use as many words as possible to say the same thing he just finished saying a minute earlier. I honestly think he has Asperger's.
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I've gone on record several times as saying that I believe AA's best chance for growing to Asia is via PHL. It is a relatively large city that has no service to Asia, has good flow thru out the eastern US, and routes to Asia are comparable to what other carriers would offer from the eastern US.
DFW isn't a bad hub... it is just out of the way... which increases costs.
AA's problem is the west coast and ORD, both of which are highly competitive and where AA doesn't have the market presence to compete against much stronger competitors - both US and foreign. When you consider that DL and UA both bought into Asia, it is hard to understand how AA thinks they can once again grow a west coast-Asia presence after trying at SJC without success.
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God forbid should traditional enmities boil over in NE Asia, at least two carriers would be inflicted with indecent exposure--- and it wont be AA. ;-)
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You need to read this:
http://crankyflier.com/2013/02/19/american-isnt-as-weak-in-asia-as-you-might-think/
http://crankyflier.com/2013/02/19/american-isnt-as-weak-in-asia-as-you-might-think/
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