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AA president Scott Kirby says the carrier seeks to make LAX its "primary Asia-Pacific gateway".

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I have long said the new leadership does know what they are doing... which is also why they won't continue to sustain a Pacific route system that is losing several hundred million dollars per year.

I'm with you that there are places like PHL where AA could profitably serve Asia.

Is the nAAtives who think that AA has to serve every major region from all of the top gateways.

They will find out that Parker doesn't play the route status game. Others have figured it out; now it is time for the nAAtives to figure out the new lay of the land.
 
AA is currently planning to entirely phase out CRJ-200/700 flying from LAX. It will all be replaced with 2-class CRJ-900s. The Eagle terminal is also remains underutilized, and Eagle will continue to add routes and frequencies.
 
AA's mainline growth potential at LAX is hampered until it gets the TBIT gates in 2016, it's Eagle growth potential is significant - it can add at least another two dozen Eagle flights.
 
Somebody's still jealous that AA will be making LAX it's primary Asia gateway, something Delta failed to get off the ground, but so be it.
 
Not going to be easy and will take time, but it's happening, and it's not for status.
 
How anyone even reads WT's posts is beyond me. From him saying the aa/us merger not happening to then if they do merge they won't be profitable followed up with Delta going to secure slots us/aa will have to give up at dca and lga. None of it has come true!!! Save time people and skip his nonsense...
 
AA is currently planning to entirely phase out CRJ-200/700 flying from LAX. It will all be replaced with 2-class CRJ-900s. The Eagle terminal is also remains underutilized, and Eagle will continue to add routes and frequencies.
 
AA's mainline growth potential at LAX is hampered until it gets the TBIT gates in 2016, it's Eagle growth potential is significant - it can add at least another two dozen Eagle flights.
 
Somebody's still jealous that AA will be making LAX it's primary Asia gateway, something Delta failed to get off the ground, but so be it.
 
Not going to be easy and will take time, but it's happening, and it's not for status.
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uh, no.

DL and UA both realized a long time ago that LAX is not the ideal place to operate a hub to Asia. Ironically some of the very same people who have argued about why it wouldn't work for other airlines (including DL) now somehow think those reasons don't apply to AA.

They still do.

Let's just have a little refresher.

First, no one at AA HDQs has said that AA is adding anything to Asia. It is merely a fantasy of some to think that AA will grow at LAX.

Second, DL gets TWICE the local revenue and the total revenue on its two flights from LAX to Tokyo than AA gets for its two flights to Asia. UA is behind DL but still way ahead of AA.

Third, it is mere delusion that AA is going to add flights from LAX to Asia until it deals with its hundred million dollar per year loss it currently generates to Asia. Of course some call those numbers dubious except that they have been published in industry publications such as Aviation Daily.

Fourth, LAX is THE MOST COMPETITIVE gateway to Asia in the US and the one with the highest percentage of foreign competition, exactly the low cost producers that DL and UA both said they don't intend to duke it out with.

Fifth, DL never tried to build LAX into an Asia Pacific hub. DL instead is building SEA - the most NW major city in the continental US which gives it the ability to logically compete for every traffic flow possible and do so economically. DL's SEA hub as of this summer is the 2nd largest US carrier gateway to Asia behind UA at SFO. Note also that DL said that by this summer, DL will be the #1 revenue carrier at SEA.

Sixth, neither DL or UA has said they won't add flights from LAX to Asia; in fact, it is a given that both will aggressively compete with AA either with nonstop service such as UA added on top of AA's LAX-PVG service or via connections north of LAX where both have enormous ability to pull traffic.



I get the emotional attachment some here have to LAX. The fundamental rules of the airline industry won't change just because AA now decides it MUST have a west coast - Asia gateway.
 
 
WT, please tell me what Europen flts were pulled down , you make it sound as if it was major!!! Your many rambling post shows you are just scared. You really have no idea of what this new managements plans are, nor should you!! Instead of just discussing the topic you make rambling posts of what if's and conjecture. Most us on here really get a kick out of you pretending to know our future when in fact you using a crystal ball.
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well, let's see. Off the top of my head, the most recent has been BRU. There are undoubtedly more and I will look them and let you know.
 
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I get the whole concept that AA has more gates. They can't - whether legally or realistically - park MAINLINE aircraft at their RJ facility which means their mainline gate capacity at LAX is not appreciably better than anyone else's.
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No, you don't get it.
 
In part, what kept DL from seriously considering LAX as an Asian gateway is that it had no leverage, particularly after it settled its bond debt on T5 for pennies on the dollar and sold its stake in T2 to LAWA.
 
On the contrary, AA does have the leverage, stemming in large part from the deal that LAWA had to cut with AA to fast track the construction of TBIT West.  (That's how AA got the 4 gates at TBIT, another commuter facility, and the T4 connector.)  
 
It doesn't end there because LAWA still needs AA's cooperation to proceed with other parts of its capital program.  The two also have a very good working relationship, helped in no small part by the fact that AA did not try to unload its LAX bond debt in bankruptcy.  In short, AA will get the gates it needs.  LAWA will not be an impediment, like they were to Delta.
 
If any US airline was going to give LAX a go as an Asian gateway, it was going to be AA because they are the most well-positioned, both strategically and logistically.
 
I'm sorry but whatever leverage you think AA has with LAWA has absolutely no bearing on AA's ability to succeed IN THE MARKET.

All the gates in the world won't change the fact that AA is #3 out of 3 in the LAX-Asia market and is handedly outperformed not just by its 2 US carrier peers but also by at least one foreign carrier with lower costs that will whatever route AA thinks it is going to add.

Again, no one at AA has said they are adding anything to LAX. It is also speculation on here about what AA will do but none of it is confirmed.

Parker isn't interested in the show that you nAAtives have pushed for years of operating routes for status even while losing money.

He is not going to add anything to AA's LAX to Asia operation until he deals with the enormous losses that AA racks up every year supporting its current Asia network.

Parker is a smart enough guy to realize that even profits as good as AA showed today cannot be sustained if you continue to have enormously money-losing routes. US had them and they fixed them.

You nAAtives have long sneered at US as having nothing of value in their network but Parker figured out NOT to fly where he couldn't make money.

AA's costs will go up and the BK effect will wear down. AA has a window to get things fixed. It also has incurred very little of the costs of integration that will start to eat up cash.

Further, you act as if LAX is some untouchable market that no one else can win at... and yet UA still is a very viable player in the market and DL is growing far faster and both DL and UA generate higher average fares from the local LAX market than AA does.

Your not going to like to hear it but most of what AA added to Europe last year also significantly underperforms the competition. It was all added capacity to use AA assets and to force its costs down.

AA's own report today shows that its Latin America and Europe RASM both dropped on higher capacity. Lots of it.

It is only a matter of time before Parker has to start whacking money losing routes and all of the capacity that isn't generating revenues sufficient to cover costs, let alone be profitable.
 
so wt what youre saying is that scott Kirby is not an AA employee who had come over from US in the merger  so essentially youre saying no one said that AA will make LAX the Asia gateway.   I remember not long ago Scott Kirby stating that theyre going to make LAX the primary Asia gate way   Im not sure what planet your on but last time I check Scott Kirby is a mgmt. team of AA
 
He didn't say that AA has committed to any growth at LAX to Asia. GO back and read what he said.

He said they are looking at it.

This whole thread could end as soon as a few fAAns realize that nothing has been decided about AA growing LAX-Asia and even if it does come, it will come with specific flights.

When even FWAAA who has as good of a beat on the economics of the industry as any of the AA fans recognizes that AA has Asia-Pacific routes that likely won't make it, the notion that AA will continue to grow to Asia without fixing what is broken now is quite simply a major disconnect with reality.
 
Any thread on these forums could die if you could resist the compulsion to respond or keep commenting...
 
You throw around words like nAAtive and fAAns like we have nothing to do but sit around and be airline fanboys. Unlike you, this is our livelihood, not a hobby.
 
then that makes it all the more important that the compAAny not pursue money-losing strategies that ultimately have to be subsidized by someone - and that someone in the airline industry is often the employees.
 
so lax-asia is a money loser  but by God if DL does it  its a money maker   go figure 
 
Again, DL flies from LAX to Asia only what it can fly and make money.

Just as DL said that it dominates its hubs which results in the ability to maintain good revenue, it does the same thing on LAX to Japan.

I have no doubt that AA has places where it can make money flying to Asia. We have discussed it.

DL paid a lot of money to buy into a franchise that very carefully built and guarded its Japan presence - and DL has only strengthened it since the NW merger.

Somehow we are supposed to believe that AA which has had its own difficulties flying to Asia from SJC and several Tokyo routes of its own is now all of a sudden make money flying LAX to Asia when they haven't done it on a sustained basis before either from LAX or on their Asia network as a whole.
 
well since you mentioned sjc  it appears that nh has no prob with operatin a daily 787 to nrt from there as well as from sea   not sure how many they have from lax  may be 1
 
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