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I think he will be treated fairly and keep his job at AA. AA has a program to help people with problems and he seems to be receptive to assistance. I hope he gets through all of this ok, he got through the first step which was probably the hardest so hopefully he will continue on and be back flying soon.
What happens if he fakes his way through rehab? What happens if he gets through rehab and in a few years has a rough day at work, gets to his hotel and there are a few mini’s in the fridge. Maybe he falls off the wagon. Are you willing to have your spouse/partner/child/parent ... on board one of his flights? I know I sure as heck don’t.
Every program I have watched, every article I have read refers to alcoholics as "recovering" alcoholics. By definition, he will never be cured, he will always be ‘recovering’. From what I remember reading, the recidivism rate is high enough IMO to warrant not having him return to active duty. Can you imagine what the fall out would be if there were an incident where he was involved? Whether or not he had anything to do with it or not would be a moot issue.
Bottom line is that he is an alcoholic. I do not want him anywhere near a plane that I or anyone I know is on.
What happens if he fakes his way through rehab? What happens if he gets through rehab and in a few years has a rough day at work, gets to his hotel and there are a few mini’s in the fridge. Maybe he falls off the wagon. Are you willing to have your spouse/partner/child/parent ... on board one of his flights? I know I sure as heck don’t.
Every program I have watched, every article I have read refers to alcoholics as "recovering" alcoholics. By definition, he will never be cured, he will always be ‘recovering’. From what I remember reading, the recidivism rate is high enough IMO to warrant not having him return to active duty. Can you imagine what the fall out would be if there were an incident where he was involved? Whether or not he had anything to do with it or not would be a moot issue.
Bottom line is that he is an alcoholic. I do not want him anywhere near a plane that I or anyone I know is on.
What happens if he fakes his way through rehab? What happens if he gets through rehab and in a few years has a rough day at work, gets to his hotel and there are a few mini’s in the fridge. Maybe he falls off the wagon. Are you willing to have your spouse/partner/child/parent ... on board one of his flights? I know I sure as heck don’t.
Every program I have watched, every article I have read refers to alcoholics as "recovering" alcoholics. By definition, he will never be cured, he will always be ‘recovering’. From what I remember reading, the recidivism rate is high enough IMO to warrant not having him return to active duty. Can you imagine what the fall out would be if there were an incident where he was involved? Whether or not he had anything to do with it or not would be a moot issue.
Bottom line is that he is an alcoholic. I do not want him anywhere near a plane that I or anyone I know is on.
He is more than welcome to continue with his life. I hope that he receives the help that he needs. I am not willing to play Russian roulette with my life. If you want to fly on his a/c when/if he returns to active duty, knock your self out.
There are consequences for ones actions. At the time of his arrest, he had a BAC of .13. What part of this are you not clear on? Are you aware of what could have happened? What if Mr. Yates had had managed to pass through security and got onboard. What if his co-pilot decided to let it slide and cover his back (after all, he is a pilot and can fly by him self.). What if his co-pilot had a heart attack and died? Who flies the plane if the flight is less than 8 hours? Hmmm. Now we are in a bit of a pickle aren’t we? Never happens? I seem to recall a few months ago a pilot had a heart attack and died mid flight. Yes it’s a rare occurrence but it can and does happen. Would you want Mr. Yates flying your plane then? I sure as hell know I don’t. He placed about 200 lives at risk because of bad judgment. And that is what pisses me off. I might have been on that plane and he made a decision on my life with out my permission or knowledge. Over 200 people did not have a say. Fortunately he was caught before any damage occurred.
In most situations people get a second chance or a third. A cashier can screw up and get a second chance. A mechanic can screw up and get a second chance. A investment counselor can screw up and get a second chance. If a doctor screws up and someone dies, are you going to give him/her a second chance on you? The difference is life and death. If their actions do not have the potential to harm a person, give them all the chances you want. If their actions can kill someone, that’s where things change.
The only way I would even consider allowing him to fly again is that EVERY time his gets on a plane he is tested by an independent official in the presence of a witness. If he even comes back with a .001 his ass is walking home.
He is more than welcome to continue with his life. I hope that he receives the help that he needs. I am not willing to play Russian roulette with my life. If you want to fly on his a/c when/if he returns to active duty, knock your self out.
There are consequences for ones actions. At the time of his arrest, he had a BAC of .13. What part of this are you not clear on? Are you aware of what could have happened? What if Mr. Yates had had managed to pass through security and got onboard. What if his co-pilot decided to let it slide and cover his back (after all, he is a pilot and can fly by him self.). What if his co-pilot had a heart attack and died? Who flies the plane if the flight is less than 8 hours? Hmmm. Now we are in a bit of a pickle aren’t we? Never happens? I seem to recall a few months ago a pilot had a heart attack and died mid flight. Yes it’s a rare occurrence but it can and does happen. Would you want Mr. Yates flying your plane then? I sure as hell know I don’t. He placed about 200 lives at risk because of bad judgment. And that is what pisses me off. I might have been on that plane and he made a decision on my life with out my permission or knowledge. Over 200 people did not have a say. Fortunately he was caught before any damage occurred.
In most situations people get a second chance or a third. A cashier can screw up and get a second chance. A mechanic can screw up and get a second chance. A investment counselor can screw up and get a second chance. If a doctor screws up and someone dies, are you going to give him/her a second chance on you? The difference is life and death. If their actions do not have the potential to harm a person, give them all the chances you want. If their actions can kill someone, that’s where things change.
The only way I would even consider allowing him to fly again is that EVERY time his gets on a plane he is tested by an independent official in the presence of a witness. If he even comes back with a .001 his ass is walking home.
Good thing you didn't fly in the "old days" before random testing.
And your point is ....?
No real point other than drinking on layovers and flying have been going on since the Wright Brothers took their first flight. There are safe guards in place now that hopefully will keep this pilot on the straight and narrow.
There are safe guards in place now that hopefully will keep this pilot on the straight and narrow.
It has been found in studies that over 20 hours without adequate sleep is equal to a .10 Blood Alcohol level. Fatigue can be as insidous and a threat to safety as alcohol.