ramper_in_las
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And to think they wanted us to go to DFW...
AA is already reducing service at LOVE
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And to think they wanted us to go to DFW...
jimntx
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They are changing 1 S80 to an RJ. BFD.
CaptBud330
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Don't be so smug Ramper in Las. You're memory must either be very short or you're too young to remember PeoplExpress, PanAm, Eastern, Braniff, Midway.....
Don't say it can't happen.
Don't say it can't happen.
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ramper_in_las
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Please don't interpret what I said as being smug. Yes I am aware that all airlines are succeptable to the same fate. What I am saying is that AA and DFW wanted WN to move our Headquarters to DFW, an obvious fortress hub for AA. WN would been succeptable to the same fate as AA in Love.
luver41
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I've always thought that AA's move back into Love Field was a classic example of cutting off one's nose to spite one's face.
My guess is that AA will completely abandon Love Field in the not too distant future.
jimntx
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Wrong! We are keeping those gates so that when the WA is completely gone, we can sublease them to JetBlue for nonstops to JFK and LGB. A low-cost carrier with assigned seating and seatback TVs at Love Field. What a concept!
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Wrong! We are keeping those gates so that when the WA is completely gone, we can sublease them to JetBlue for nonstops to JFK and LGB. A low-cost carrier with assigned seating and seatback TVs at Love Field. What a concept!
I like that idea!!!
jimntx
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I really said that as a joke, but seriously...
When flights between NYC and DAL are allowed, I bet JB will be in DAL in a flash. The difference in landing fees between DAL and DFW will be too tempting.
When flights between NYC and DAL are allowed, I bet JB will be in DAL in a flash. The difference in landing fees between DAL and DFW will be too tempting.
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Wrong! We are keeping those gates so that when the WA is completely gone, we can sublease them to JetBlue for nonstops to JFK and LGB. A low-cost carrier with assigned seating and seatback TVs at Love Field. What a concept!
I guess we'll see.
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I think that had WN moved to DFW they would have beaten AA at their own game on competing routes.
And who knows if B6 will still be around to serve DAL 8 years from now?
jimntx
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I have no idea. I just happen to know that the landing fees at DFW are $4.97/1000 lbs. landing weight and $0.55/1000 lbs landing weight at DAL. This came to light in February of this year in the news here in Dallas.
The City Aviation Department had been charging SWA only $0.35/1000 lbs for over 20 years, but were forced to raise it to $0.55 when the bond rating agencies--Moody's and S&P--downgraded City of Dallas Aviation bonds to junk status because of the losses being incurred at Love Field.
Everyone--including the mayor and City Council--disavowed any knowledge of the sweetheart deal that SWA had been receiving and were "properly" outraged, etc.
Don't get me wrong. I don't fault SWA for this. I never called a landlord and begged him to raise my rent either.
But, as a City of Dallas taxpayer who has to guarantee those bonds, I'm pretty ticked at the City. I do fault SWA for protesting their first increase in 20 years of $0.20/1000 lbs as a 57% increase in landing fees.
Really? I find that hard to believe. Is it stretched out over 20 years?
If JB is still around. JB operates like PE. They expect cultlike devotion for cooley wages. There is a lot of discontent over at JB from both their pilots and mechanics. The airport is a community and people know and speak to each other. Things are not well at JB and the David vs Goliath hype is losing its effectiveness, sooner or later people want to be able to pay their own bills.
SWA is a different story, even after 30 years in business they maintain the enthusiasm of their workforce because they allow their workers to share in their success. SWA delivers.Thats why management types from the other carriers hate them so much. Even though I dont work for SWA I applaud every victory they have, even if it means that victory is against my current employer because a victory for SWA is a victory for sound employee relations, SWA is a rare example where "Pull Together-Win Together" and "Win-Win" really mean something other than a BS slogan. Bravo for SWA!!!Keep expanding and hopefully one day they will put Maint in ISP!!
