AA extends 737MAX-related cancellations to Sept.3rd

[1AA]

While there are some genuine issues with the Max it overall is still a safe airplane
The research I’ve done on the two accidents the biggest issue was more about poor pilot training then actually the airplane being flawed.
Once there is a proper training on some of the new systems this will be as safe as any plane out there if not safer.
I would never hesitate to fly on one

You forgot to mention what Boeing didn't mention about a system on the aircraft that intervenes in a prestall condition that pilots and technicians didn't know the system existed. Yes it's a safe aircraft because of the reputation it has previously to the MAX redesign. Poor pilot training is unfair to say since the pilots did not have all the information available to them in a situation that occurred. You can't correct something not knowing what is going on and how your equipment is interacting with your QRH procedures to avoid a problem.

 

[ALUS78]

When US did that was that after US427 n the Boeing vs US feud?

Sorry i forget

 

[V.O. Reason]

You forgot to mention what Boeing didn't mention about a system on the aircraft that intervenes in a prestall condition that pilots and technicians didn't know the system existed. Yes it's a safe aircraft because of the reputation it has previously to the MAX redesign. Poor pilot training is unfair to say since the pilots did not have all the information available to them in a situation that occurred. You can't correct something not knowing what is going on and how your equipment is interacting with your QRH procedures to avoid a problem.

Well considering the previous flight prior to the accident of the Lion Air flight they too reported unusual problems but because of jumpseat pilot switched off the system and the aircraft landed safely tells me there was some awareness of what to do with the issue that occurred, maybe not the new system but as most pilots are taught you fly the plane first

 

[ALUS78]

No matter what happens this aircraft will always have a black eye.
I personally hope it never flies again. A aerodynamically flawed redesign being corrected by a computer software program. We all know what happens when computers lock up or crash. I hope Boeing has a fool proof plan to attack a complete system failure if one should occur. I wonder how the Canadian, European and Asian aviation agencies are warming up to what the FAA and Boeing are saying lately in getting the MAX ready to fly again.

DC_10s had a bad rep too public eventually forgot.Dont forget its more amplified (for lack of a better word) to us cause we're in the industry.Think of the buzz in the Takata air bag plant while you may still have one in your car

 

[swamt]

No matter what happens this aircraft will always have a black eye.
I personally hope it never flies again. A aerodynamically flawed redesign being corrected by a computer software program. We all know what happens when computers lock up or crash. I hope Boeing has a fool proof plan to attack a complete system failure if one should occur. I wonder how the Canadian, European and Asian aviation agencies are warming up to what the FAA and Boeing are saying lately in getting the MAX ready to fly again.

And like I said from the very get go, they better add the 2nd back up system for the AOA system.

 

[jimntx]

While there are some genuine issues with the Max it overall is still a safe airplane
The research I’ve done on the two accidents the biggest issue was more about poor pilot training then actually the airplane being flawed.
Once there is a proper training on some of the new systems this will be as safe as any plane out there if not safer.
I would never hesitate to fly on one

Who gets to decide what is "proper" training. Let's not forget that Boeing's original thought on this subject was that the presence of the MCAS should not even be mentioned in the pilot's manual. Would you consider that "proper?" Would you be willing to fly on a MAX which had been certified in the "let's not mention these issues" school of training? Not judgin. Just sayin.

 

[1AA]

Boeing took a chapter out of AmericaWest cheap, fast and easy way out. Parker must be proud that Boeing followed him in a low cost version of the MCAS for the 737 MAX. Parker was quoted as saying the grounding of the MAX was political just before Boeings top 737 test pilot crashed in the simulator.


https://qz.com/1718506/boeings-737-max-mcas-has-better-designed-military-forerunner/

 

[1AA]

http://newsinflight.com/2019/10/03/boeing-pushed-faa-to-relax-certification-requirements-for-737max/

 

[Phoenix757767]

Boeing took a chapter out of AmericaWest cheap, fast and easy way out. Parker must be proud that Boeing followed him in a low cost version of the MCAS for the 737 MAX. Parker was quoted as saying the grounding of the MAX was political just before Boeings top 737 test pilot crashed in the simulator.
https://qz.com/1718506/boeings-737-max-mcas-has-better-designed-military-forerunner/

I don’t believe Parker was CEO when they were ordered and AA had the extra sensor.

 

[1AA]

I don’t believe Parker was CEO when they were ordered and AA had the extra sensor.

Makes no difference. Parker also said the grounding was political. The next day Boeings top 737 chief test pilot crashed in the simulator.

 

[cltrat]

I think Parker being replaced is something we could all agree on

 

[1AA]

I think Parker being replaced is something we could all agree on

Kirby is the only one who can get AA back on track. Too bad that's a long shot.

 

[cltrat]

Kirby is the only one who can get AA back on track. Too bad that's a long shot.

I agree with you, unfortunately I read reports that he denied rumors of it happening

 

[eolesen]

Kirby's not even a long shot.... more like a no-shot.

Unlike AA, my guess is UA believes in non-competes with their execs, and Kirby was well compensated in exchange for him signing away his rights to go work for a competitor should his employment with UA come to an end for any reason.

 

[swamt]

Kirby is the only one who can get AA back on track. Too bad that's a long shot.

I agree with you, unfortunately I read reports that he denied rumors of it happening

Read this article this morning and thought to myself, now that would be sweet. But, unfortunately, UAL more than likely did get a signed non-compete from Kirby. And here's the article I saw with a quote stating he will stay at UAL until he retires from the airline industry...

United President Quashes Rumors He Might Jump Back to American Airlines