AA Docks workers stranded by storm in Northeast

Bob Owens

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During the recent storm here in the Northeast, that closed Airports across the Northeast, thousands of AA workers were unable to get to work. In New York the government banned all non-emergency traffic from the roads. Police were stationed at city border points stopping any motorists that tried to enter the city and told those motorists that if they tried to enter NYC their car would be impounded and fined $200. 
 
AA's response was to code their employees who could not make it to work TEU, Travel Emergency Unpaid. In the past the company would pay, even when the company was losing money, even in Bankruptcy the company would pay.
 
Now as they are reporting over $6billion in profits they have decided they have decided to dock their employees pay. 
 
The company is basically incentivizing workers to break the law by docking their pay. Penalizing them for obeying the government. 
 
 
People across the Northeast lost a days pay because they acted responsibly, obeyed the law and called in Snowbound, and still the company is docking them a days pay, if they had hurt their back shoveling snow and called in sick they would have only lost half a days pay. Had they somehow made it into work there would not have been much for them to do anyway as all flights were cancelled. 
 
I suspect that the next time it snows people will behave differently and attempt more extraordinary (foolish) efforts to get to work despite the danger and injure themselves (the average age of a mechanic is over 55, hopefully we don't see Heart Attacks-several people in NY died from just that), a sore back or any injury usually takes more than a day to recover from but instead of losing a days pay they would only lose half a days pay. So instead of staffing levels returning to normal immediately after the storm its likely that the operation would remain short staffed for many days after the storm making operational recovery that much more challenging.
 
There is really something very wrong with the way the people making these decisions think. Have they ever run a real airline before? AA's compensation is wAAy below what its competitors pay, AA is so far ahead of the game ($6.3 billion in profits) that the days pay, for their employees who are so far behind to start with, will have ZERO affect on their "Competitive Position", if anything it is highly likely that their short sightedness will cost them far more as Storms like this are bound to happen again. 
 
They really should reconsider the stupid position they have taken on this and not dock their employees for something they had no control over. They certainly cant claim they cant afford it. 
 
What is the language in your CBA?
 
We had this issue in CLT before, and they were paid, but we did have to fight the company.
 
At the drop of a hat, the company would invoke force majeure to ignore contracts to their benefit no matter what the cost to their employees.  It's just the mindset of the Tempe Brain Trust.  It always will be.
 
The pilots voted in a new contract over a year ago, but due to the company's own lack of effort in the IT end of things, some of the LUS East contract is still effective.  The part that says that pilots are not pay protected for pre-cancelled trips was invoked during the snow emergency.  LAA pilots got paid if they lost time because that is what is in their contract.  But even though the IT infrastructure is still not in place, the company could have done the right thing and treated all pilots at the New American the same way.  They didn't, and basically cause the APA to declare war on management.
 
Parker said he would work to change corporate culture.  He's right.  He is flushing down the toilet what little good will was left between the company and organized labor.
 
Surpass Delta as the best airline in the US?  Fuggedaboudit!  Not going to happen.
 
Is the disparate treatment of LUS East pilots something the APA can grieve? With a joint CBA, there's no excuse for treating some pilots differently on the pre-cancelled flights. That would make me want to burn the place down.
 
Same thing for the F/A's. LUS have the pay protection, LAA are still waiting for it!
 
Probably will have to be grieved for "past practices" since the Governor said anyone not emergency personnel could be subject to arrest if on the road after 2:30 PM.

The airport may have remained opened but if these guys had been thrown in jail it would have been very hard for them to badge in.

Personally opinion. Jeez ridiculous. Pay these people you cheap birds.
 
WeAAsles said:
Probably will have to be grieved for "past practices" since the Governor said anyone not emergency personnel could be subject to arrest if on the road after 2:30 PM.

The airport may have remained opened but if these guys had been thrown in jail it would have been very hard for them to badge in.

Personally opinion. Jeez ridiculous. Pay these people you cheap birds.
I wonder if the salaried employees got docked a days pay for not coming to work.
 
MetalMover said:
I wonder if the salaried employees got docked a days pay for not coming to work.
Come, come now don't be silly.only association members will be docked. They still beleive.
 
WeAAsles said:
Probably will have to be grieved for "past practices" since the Governor said anyone not emergency personnel could be subject to arrest if on the road after 2:30 PM.

The airport may have remained opened but if these guys had been thrown in jail it would have been very hard for them to badge in.

Personally opinion. Jeez ridiculous. Pay these people you cheap birds.
I agree and disagree. Its a cheap move BUT when the company needs something from labor what do you guys normally say? Yes or "whats the book say?" 
 
In other words, can't expect management to bend unless everyone else bends. (FWIW I say the same thing when management comes for concessions, they need to take them with everyone else) 
 
Bob Owens said:
During the recent storm here in the Northeast, that closed Airports across the Northeast, thousands of AA workers were unable to get to work. In New York the government banned all non-emergency traffic from the roads. Police were stationed at city border points stopping any motorists that tried to enter the city and told those motorists that if they tried to enter NYC their car would be impounded and fined $200. 
 
AA's response was to code their employees who could not make it to work TEU, Travel Emergency Unpaid. In the past the company would pay, even when the company was losing money, even in Bankruptcy the company would pay.
 
Now as they are reporting over $6billion in profits they have decided they have decided to dock their employees pay. 
 
The company is basically incentivizing workers to break the law by docking their pay. Penalizing them for obeying the government. 
 
 
People across the Northeast lost a days pay because they acted responsibly, obeyed the law and called in Snowbound, and still the company is docking them a days pay, if they had hurt their back shoveling snow and called in sick they would have only lost half a days pay. Had they somehow made it into work there would not have been much for them to do anyway as all flights were cancelled. 
 
I suspect that the next time it snows people will behave differently and attempt more extraordinary (foolish) efforts to get to work despite the danger and injure themselves (the average age of a mechanic is over 55, hopefully we don't see Heart Attacks-several people in NY died from just that), a sore back or any injury usually takes more than a day to recover from but instead of losing a days pay they would only lose half a days pay. So instead of staffing levels returning to normal immediately after the storm its likely that the operation would remain short staffed for many days after the storm making operational recovery that much more challenging.
 
There is really something very wrong with the way the people making these decisions think. Have they ever run a real airline before? AA's compensation is wAAy below what its competitors pay, AA is so far ahead of the game ($6.3 billion in profits) that the days pay, for their employees who are so far behind to start with, will have ZERO affect on their "Competitive Position", if anything it is highly likely that their short sightedness will cost them far more as Storms like this are bound to happen again. 
 
They really should reconsider the stupid position they have taken on this and not dock their employees for something they had no control over. They certainly cant claim they cant afford it. 
Whats in the contract? 
 
Sounds like they are encouraging you to call in sick, rather than roll the dice on wheather or not you will be paid the other way.
 
Next time it snows and you want to get paid call in sick for 3-5 days and go sledding with the kids. If they dont want to do the right thing why should you...
This place will never change. They hate you...
 
AA-MRO.COM said:
Next time it snows and you want to get paid call in sick for 3-5 days and go sledding with the kids. If they dont want to do the right thing why should you...
This place will never change. They hate you...
SO sad but true.
 
Sadly it'll still count against u when u do that. I'd bet none of mgmt ever gets docked when they get stranded by snow n ice
 

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