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A good read on the merger:
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jimntx
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So, Emirates is the leading carrier from the U.S. to India. Good for them. AA flew Chicago-Delhi for some years. From what I understand, we lost breathtaking amounts of money on the route, and that was before most people in the U.S. had even heard of Emirates airline.
All of the talking heads seem to think that only size wins. If you are not the biggest, you have no hope of surviving. Why do none of them ever look at what Alaska is doing? Or, several other of the smaller airlines that are just chugging along, making a profit pretty much every year? As far as I know, WN doesn't even care what/where Emirates flies, but they still make profits.
All of the talking heads seem to think that only size wins. If you are not the biggest, you have no hope of surviving. Why do none of them ever look at what Alaska is doing? Or, several other of the smaller airlines that are just chugging along, making a profit pretty much every year? As far as I know, WN doesn't even care what/where Emirates flies, but they still make profits.
United Airlines' parent corporation, with its all-important "network" and "787" has earned just $196 million (excluding special items) in the first six months of 2013.
AMR, parent company to the far-too-small-to-survive-let-alone-thrive American Airlines, has earned $365 million (also excluding special items) in the first six months of 2013.
And AA doesn't even fly to Dubai. As eolesen has tried to remind everyone, being biggest isn't always the guaranteed road to superior profits. AS is an excellent example.
About the linked article: I laughed when the Wall St analyst said that DL and UA were big enough to successfully compete against Emirates but that AA needed to add the huge US Airways international network in order to succeed against EK.
That huge US international network that consists of zero flights across the Pacific, just two to South America (Brazil), just two flights to London, a few flights to business destinations like Germany, Ireland and France, and another dozen or so to second-tier seasonal destinations like Venice and Lisbon. And one flight to TLV from PHL that carries mostly connecting passengers.
The reality is that Emirates has a plan to buy at least 90 A380s and several hundred 777s, in addition to orders for plenty of A350s and perhaps other planes. A state-owned airline in Dubai that has designs of DXB supplanting LHR as the world's primary international connecting hub. No private enterprise airline in the USA has a chance of beating state-owned Emirates for traffic to India or Dubai, and perhaps for dozens of other destinations as EK grows. Marrying AA and US together won't matter at all in the fight against EK.
AMR, parent company to the far-too-small-to-survive-let-alone-thrive American Airlines, has earned $365 million (also excluding special items) in the first six months of 2013.
And AA doesn't even fly to Dubai. As eolesen has tried to remind everyone, being biggest isn't always the guaranteed road to superior profits. AS is an excellent example.
About the linked article: I laughed when the Wall St analyst said that DL and UA were big enough to successfully compete against Emirates but that AA needed to add the huge US Airways international network in order to succeed against EK.
That huge US international network that consists of zero flights across the Pacific, just two to South America (Brazil), just two flights to London, a few flights to business destinations like Germany, Ireland and France, and another dozen or so to second-tier seasonal destinations like Venice and Lisbon. And one flight to TLV from PHL that carries mostly connecting passengers.
The reality is that Emirates has a plan to buy at least 90 A380s and several hundred 777s, in addition to orders for plenty of A350s and perhaps other planes. A state-owned airline in Dubai that has designs of DXB supplanting LHR as the world's primary international connecting hub. No private enterprise airline in the USA has a chance of beating state-owned Emirates for traffic to India or Dubai, and perhaps for dozens of other destinations as EK grows. Marrying AA and US together won't matter at all in the fight against EK.
Doug Parker's mantra, let us merge and compete is nonsense. AA can compete just fine and with the many new wide bodies and narrow bodies they have on order, that will allow AA to gain access to many new destinations.AA is also increasing its fleet of large RJ's that will better match the plane to the market. The small US wide body fleet has not grown much in the past few years with only a handful yet to be delivered. Parker wants this to happen so bad he will say anything to get it past the government regulators.
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If US Airways joins Oneworld, you can kiss most of that European flying goodbye. British Airways will surely take over the majority of those routes. American had a much larger transatlantic network prior to Oneworld.
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I doubt that, BA cant fly from the US to all the cities US flies too.
Did you actually think about that before you posted?
BA doesnt have the route authorities.
BA even pulled out of CLT years ago, because they couldnt compete with US.
So answer this, all the flights AA use to fly to Europe, is BA flying them now?
Nope, just BOS if I remember correctly.
Did you actually think about that before you posted?
BA doesnt have the route authorities.
BA even pulled out of CLT years ago, because they couldnt compete with US.
So answer this, all the flights AA use to fly to Europe, is BA flying them now?
Nope, just BOS if I remember correctly.
robbedagain
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fwaa or overhauler if say this merger does get the green light what would happen to the tlv flight... ive heard that they may add anthr phl tlv flight but just curious as to your opins.... i think it is a matter of time before us leaves star for one world just my thoughts....
robbedagain
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700 im not sure if aa still does bos lhr run i do know ba has 3 or 4 flights now btwn the 2 cities... just not sure if aa still does or not
BA operates 4x daily to BOS mix of 772/744 and occasional 77W. AA only operates CDG on 75L. What's your point in all this?
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josh does mia have a large israeli population or should say jewish pop or what i know the cargo in phl is very very profitable in addition to the flight us has from there to tlv
Yes considerably larger than PHL and it provides connections to Lat Am that PHL could never offer.
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Who said they have to be direct flights? How about LHR and then connecting on to your final European destination.
For example, American use to fly direct to Amsterdam and Brussels, not anymore. You can fly Oneworld into Europe(LHR), and then BA to AMS or BRU.
jimntx
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Another thought...merging AA and LCC will not create a competitor to Emirates. Keep in mind that Emirates is a state-owned and state-financed airline. And the state (Dubai) is awash in billions of oil dollars. No one, including BA, LH, DL, UA, or the "new" AA can compete with that kind of financing.
