$45 A Barrel Oil On The Way....

[SpinDoc]

Been watchin the news today and if this hurricane hits the right place we could lose major oil production 7 refiners produce oil for the us and a 3rd of the us oil comes from the gulf.

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The entire situation with oil prices and refinery
capacity is largely outside of the control of the
average American. What IS within our control
is the ability to protest, conduct massive gas
station drive-offs, and demand the heads of
the oil company executives that are keeping
prices artificially high by refusing to invest in
oil exploration and new refineries. Folks, it's
all about greed and profits right now, and
until we all make enough noise to let them
know we disapprove, nothing will change.

 

[700UW]

Gas stations drive offs are criminal and you can go to jail and lose your license.

Bring back the Windfall Profits Tax.

 

[SpinDoc]

Gas stations drive offs are criminal and you can go to jail and lose your license.

Bring back the Windfall Profits Tax.

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Yes. You CAN lose your license, but if the
practice is conducted en masse, it's virtually
impossible for every single person to be
arrested. Think about it, law enforcement
can't even solve close to 40% of all murders
committed in this country. If all of the sudden
they are inundated with petty crimes like
drive-offs, they wouldn't catch 20%.

I'm sure there are other ways to coerce the
bastards who run the oil companies, like the
Windfall Profts Tax, but we need action NOW.
Oil and gasoline prices are ridiculous and will
do great harm to the economy in short order.

Don't forget the greedy sumnabeeches who
are trading oil futures on the NYMEX. They are
single handedly responsible for most of the
rise in oil prices. They should be taken out
back, given a blindfold and a smoke, and
summarily executed.

 

[gso-crew]

The guys that don't drive off will pay for the ones that do, they'll just mark it up some more ... lol lol

 

[PITbull]

The entire situation with oil prices and refinery
capacity is largely outside of the control of the
average American. What IS within our control
is the ability to protest, conduct massive gas
station drive-offs, and demand the heads of
the oil company executives that are keeping
prices artificially high by refusing to invest in
oil exploration and new refineries. Folks, it's
all about greed and profits right now, and
until we all make enough noise to let them
know we disapprove, nothing will change.

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God Spin, we are starting to think alike. Your talking about a massive, organized drive to "protest". Well done! (however, i don't think we should screw the gas station owners). Really.

I can't see any incentive for the pertoleum companies to lower prices if the American public keeps buying it these prices, and just keep "charging it" up.

I think the public should just not buy gas for a week. Find way to get to work, but don't buy gas!

The public is just not "organized" to respond to this abuse.

 

[Busdrvr]

demand the heads of
the oil company executives that are keeping
prices artificially high by refusing to invest in
oil exploration and new refineries. Folks, it's
all about greed and profits right now, and
until we all make enough noise to let them
know we disapprove, nothing will change.

[post="293835"][/post]​

Just curious, how much of YOUR oney have you put up as risk capital for oil exploration?

I was kinda joking, but hey -- if anybody gets one of these things to work, let me know! I'd love to know if its legit.

Oh it's "legit". Some of the more "commercial kits" don't do well, and quality of cooking oil can really be a hassle, but try this method....

http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_aleksnew.html

And the right's solution?

I don't speak for the "right", but my solution is to develope new sources of energy while making the old sources economically viable. I know this may come as a surprise "stewguy" but I don't think cavemen would have discovered a working Fusion Reactor just sitting in a cave. To get to the next step, we must use energy sources we currently have available. The problem is simpletons that think gaudy solar water heaters on the whitehouse roof and a prius in every garage would spell the end to imported oil in the U.S. Actually, the opposite is true.

Drive Hummers and monster SUVs and drink up as much gas as possible?

As opposed to John Kerry's private jet and all the SUV's? That's one of the problems with liberalism. The leaders (the annointed) get all the nice big SUV's and waste fuel flying around the world in privacy and comfort, while then dictating what the rest of us should do. If you want a "hummer" you should get one (sorry, wrong choice of words "stewguy"). That's what drives the U.S. economy. Citizens wanting stuff. you get to buy food for your kitty because some greedy SOB U.S. citizen decided he wanted to "waste" a huge amount of fuel and money, and spew pollutants into the atmospere, to go on vacation.

Write the nation's energy policy behind closed doors with your buddies from the energy companies?

OK, so what part of the energy policy do you disagree with? Quick now, without going to the "moron.org" website. Are you just mad that they asked for the opinion of people who have actually made a lot of money in the energy business, and maybe, just maybe know more about it than you? Maybe in an effort to get the same folks to speak frankly, without fear of retribution, they did it in private. If one oil exec thought we'd run out in 5 years and oil would hit $500 a B, would you want that spoken in private, or would you rather have panic? Ah, but you think you should be privy to all the conversations everybody has.... but you're liberal, that makes sense. The Clinton method of ignoring the problem and allowing all the oil companies to merge was so much brighter... Or maybe even the Cuomo method, where you tear down a $7 Billion megawatt nuke power plant and replace it with oil fired generators to please the radical far left, then get indignant when someone earns enough money to buy a large SUV (or a small VERY fast car) and wants to actually buy gas.

I think I'll adopt a new slogan from a bumber sticker I saw recently:

Ban Mining!!
let them freeze to death in the dark....

 

[700UW]

John Kerry leased a jet for the presidential campaign, his WIFE's company has the jets.

And dont forget when Bush flies Air Force One around for $35,000 an hour and only rembursed the tax payer a price of a first class ticket for his campaign flights it was our tax dollars footing the bill.

 

[SpinDoc]

God Spin, we are starting to think alike. Your talking about a massive, organized drive to "protest". Well done! (however, i don't think we should screw the gas station owners). Really

The public is just not "organized" to respond to this abuse.

SpinDoc replies:

I don't know that the American public is not "organized"
enough to field a response to the abuse, but I do think
they are lazy and unwilling to get off their nice fat couch
to join an organized response. This country is in a major
decline in that department. Just look at the poll results
for any local election. Only 60% of those eligible to vote
will even turn out for a local election. But, they will ALL
whine to their neighbors and co-workers about how they
are being screwed when something doesn't go their way.

Like I said, we are basically powerless to change the
current situation, but there are a number of things we
could do to make things uncomfortable for the
oil companies and speculators that are keeping things
aritifically out of proportion . I just don't think the
average American has it in them to try to make a
difference anymore.

 

[Busdrvr]

John Kerry leased a jet for the presidential campaign, his WIFE's company has the jets.

And dont forget when Bush flies Air Force One around for $35,000 an hour and only rembursed the tax payer a price of a first class ticket for his campaign flights it was our tax dollars footing the bill.

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His wife doesn't own a company, but she does own 7 large homes, a fleet of SUV's and a private jet. So I guess it's OK for him to ride around in the SUV and private jet between the mansions, while tellingme I can't have one, because they are owned by his wife.... good one...

That Air Force one thing does torque me off. I hated it when the President set new records for trip after trip which appeared to more of a hillbilly seeing the world on my dime vs actually working for me. and then he had the gall to sit at LAX, APU running, and Airliners diverting, while he got a haircut.... Wait, wrong president

 

[700UW]

No this President just set the record for the most time on vacation passing another republican ronnie reagen.

And remember whenever Bush took Air Force on a campaign trip, which he set another record, he only rembursed the tax payers the cost of a first class ticket, remember $35,000 an hour to keep the 747 in the air.

And yes it is ok for her to do it as she is worth millions and pays for it.

 

[jimntx]

As opposed to John Kerry's private jet and all the SUV's?     [[right

Oh for chrissakes, get off John Kerry. Yes, he married rich. That is not considered a crime in this country to the best of my knowledge. Though I have heard it is the hardest way to earn a living. Wouldn't know. Have no experience in the area. However, I'm willing to bet that if you did a political survey of the wealthy in this country whether they own private jets or not, the majority would NOT self-identify as Democrats.

Not only did John Kerry not say that you could not own an SUV, neither did his wife. The difference is that he and his wife are not demanding that supply and demand not work in the cost of gasoline, or start expounding some conspiracy theory directed in one post at OPEC and in the next at the oil companies. They use their money to buy the gas they need.

And, I don't think recommending criminal acts over conservation shows a sane turn of mind. I've never seen one of your posts that suggests that a way to solve the energy crisis is to CONSERVE energy. Yeah, drive away without paying. That is much preferable to riding the bus to work or sharing a ride with another worker.

Do you drive one of those Hummers or Expeditions or Suburbans? And, are you one of those that because you bought one those ridiculous things, you have decided that it is your Constitutional right to affordable gasoline?

 

[StewGuy86]

Busdriver,

Like most so-called "conservatives" I know, there's very little about actual conservation in your philosophy. That's right, just use it up until it's all gone....whether it be oil or trees or land or water or whatever else God (who, of course, is the white Caucasian male with a long beard) put on this planet for us to use every last drop of. Never mind that basically ANY resource can be totally depleted if not used wisely and that other generations down the road may want a little of it. Oh, and forget actually making SERIOUS efforts at finding alternative fuel sources or....here's an incredibly novel idea.....forcing the auto manufacturers to increase the gas mileage of their products by a meaningful amount and wean Americans off of their gas guzzlers. No, let's just use all the resources we have, pollute all the air and allow the water to become undrinkable. To do otherwise might get you labeled a godless, liberal, left-leaning, commie, pinko, tree-hugging, pointy-headed, intellectual, granola-munching, Jane Fonda-loving queer.

But why bother trying to conserve when it would surely piss off the Republicans best friends....Big Oil? And, of course, we wouldn't want to upset that ever-so-cozy relationship the Bushes have with the Saudis. You know, the royal family that runs one of the most repressive regimes in the world. Hey! I have an idea! Since your President thinks regime change and "spreading democracy" to the repressed peoples of the world is accomplished by invading their countries and setting up new governments (that actually turn out to be repressive, radical Islamic Fundamentalist states), let's invade Saudi Arabia! Surely those repressed peoples will greet us as liberators. Plus, we can take all the oil we want! Oh wait, Saudi Arabia already has a government like that. Never mind.

Now, as far as dictating to the rest of the world what to do...even if they themselves don't do it....we'll leave that to the Right. You folks have perfected that technique. Spouting off about "less government" and "getting government out of our lives." But then you're the very first ones to try and have the government tell us everything from who to worship and when to pray to who we can and can't love.

By the way, Busdriver....are you a pilot? Are you a union member? Be careful, those labor unions are dangerous. Everyone knows they're aligned with "the Left." Heck, it's pretty much just plain ol' Socialism! I say you cast off the chains of your union and just be happy to have a job and work for whatever management decides to pay you. Then you won't have a voice in the matter. It's the conservative way!

 

[RowUnderDCA]

Well then, what is the solution from the left? Oh yeah, I forgot, everybody gets a prius to drive one way back to a cave. Oh but then we'd burn wood, so one way back to the cave to freeze to death.....

The locations of the shale is quite frankly some of the ugliest land in the states. It is already dotted with oil wells and pipelines. But some of our enlightened brother from new england, who are all for "progress unless it means THEY have to view windmills while vactioning on the "Vinyard", will now protest the "spoiling of the land by gready capitalist". So the short answer is unless we start requiring all fuel used in private jets to be from Shale, the "intellectually consistant" "I have 7 homes, a Private jet and a fleet SUV's but I drive my Hybrid to the FBO to board my GV for a transcon" crowd will undoubtedly use every legal manuver possible to stop you from having lower fuel prices.

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Sigh.... busdriver....

I'm almost always interested in conservative ideas, but 90% of conservatives predicate their ideas on hating the opposition. Can you get over that, please! ?

It just seems so ironic. That conservatives spend so much time demonstrating why it's a good a idea to dislike them, that alot of people that might be persuaded by a good argument just want to slink off to the other side of the room, cuz you're so freaking hateful. I can remember a few guys in college that just were insufferable. I'm afraid I'm very pessimistic about the future of politics in America.

Here's a suggestion... Have all the conservative ideas you like.. but don't make people think that you have posters of Rush and Rove in your bedroom!

 

[Busdrvr]

Never mind that basically ANY resource can be totally depleted if not used wisely and that other generations down the road may want a little of it.

No, it CAN'T be totally depleted. WE determine reserve levels at certain price points. At $40 a B there is a certain amount that is "economically viable", while at $500, there is significantly more. Oil is a CHEMICAL, NOT an element. Even if we did the impossible and used every ounce of the stuff in the ground, we could actually MAKE more. Not "cheap" of course, but possible. Likewise, with the exception of Uranium that is "burned" via a fision reaction, and metals sent outside the planet via space exploration, mined metals and minerals don't go away. They are contained in items. If in the future the mined products are too expensive, then recycling takes over.

Generations down the road would likely perfer we leave them a vibrant economy that grew instead of a depressed economy with plenty of oil.

Oh, and forget actually making SERIOUS efforts at finding alternative fuel sources or.

Like what? It's easy to talk in platitudes. Be specific.

here's an incredibly novel idea.....forcing the auto manufacturers to increase the gas mileage of their products by a meaningful amount and wean Americans off of their gas guzzlers.

How? Will they finally dust of the legendary "100 MPG Carberator"? By forcing certain milage standards, you FORCE people to buy something they didn't want. When you "wean" someone off of their "gas guzzlers", you are taking away their CHOICE.

No, let's just use all the resources we have, pollute all the air and allow the water to become undrinkable.

Again, be specific. How is it that the right is currently trying to "pollute the air and water, and use up all our resources" (considering "using them up" is physically impossible)?

But why bother trying to conserve when it would surely piss off the Republicans best friends....Big Oil?

It's comical that the left likes to accuse the pres of doing all this for "big oil" when the Clintons actually laid the groundwork for the current mess. Remember, the Reno justice dept is the one that approved all the mergers between the oil companies. Do you think ticket prices would be higher with only three much larger Airlines? the same principle works with oil companies. And I guess when Bush is pushing Nuke power, thats actually to try to help his oil buddies. And when Cuomo shut down the Shoreham Nuclear power plant, and replaced it with oil fired gens, that was to help the consumer and show the oil interests who's boss. Get real.
If you want to 'help the big oil interest' then restrict drilling so that prices stay very high.

But then you're the very first ones to try and have the government tell us everything from who to worship and when to pray to who we can and can't love.

I frankly don't care, I just don't want you trying to force my schools to teach my kids that it's "normal"

By the way, Busdriver....are you a pilot? Are you a union member? Be careful, those labor unions are dangerous. I say you cast off the chains of your union and just be happy to have a job and work for whatever management decides to pay you.

Yes, and yes. However, I'm a realist. I have issues with so called labor leaders (IAM) who profess idealic union values only to be the first to cross a picket line and do struck work when it benefits them. As a union member with extensive economic training (to include labor econ), I know I can't legislate myself to prosperity. I know for me to get a big paycheck, I must pervert the market. I know this may not be the "free market solution". The differance is I know and admit exactly what I am trying to accomplish with my union and the mechanisms for success. To often we play a game with management, on their court by their rules, and wonder why we lose. I say to win, you must first learn to play the game, and how to twist the "rules" to your benefit.

Do you drive one of those Hummers or Expeditions or Suburbans?

Yukon XL. Along with two other cars, one of which gets around 40 MPG.

Not only did John Kerry not say that you could not own an SUV,

When you dictate MPG standards, you limit consumer choice.

And, I don't think recommending criminal acts over conservation shows a sane turn of mind. I've never seen one of your posts that suggests that a way to solve the energy crisis is to CONSERVE energy.

I agree, and I recognize conservation as a FACTOR. But even if we just "conserve", then we'll right back here in 5 years, more dependant on foreign oil. I'm for alternate fuels and more domestic production to bridge the gap.

No this President just set the record for the most time on vacation passing another republican ronnie reagen.

He flew all the way to TX. Not exactly the same as the trips around the world.

 

[nycbusdriver]

..God (who, of course, is the white Caucasian male with a long beard) ...

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Well, of course He is. I've seen pictures of His Kid, Jesus, and He's got blue eyes and dirty blond hair! (He needs a haircut...maybe a mullet...and a shave, though!)