2015 Pilot Discussion.

[Bean]

Don't tell me the wager is now not always open!

 

[Bean]

Kidding aside, it seems to me that whatever rumor exists, the list is done.

All the deushbaggery of the last 10 years is suddenly coming to fruition. This social experiment will be concluded in less than 3 weeks.

Who would've thought it would take a third of your career to see that happen.

I didn't.

 

[luvthe9]

Kidding aside, it seems to me that whatever rumor exists, the list is done.
All the deushbaggery of the last 10 years is suddenly coming to fruition. This social experiment will be concluded in less than 3 weeks.
Who would've thought it would take a third of your career to see that happen.
I didn't.

Should have taken the deal at Wye River.........greed cost you.

 

[EastUS1]

Don't tell me the wager is now not always open!

 
Always, but why waste further thought there on such as yourself, who are nought but mouth anyway?

 

[luvthe9]

My wife hates when I take a selfie of me pooping in the Clt crew room!
t.

Please tell us you really don't do this!

 

[EastUS1]

Who would've thought it would take a third of your career to see that happen.

I didn't.

 
1) That's easy: Anyone with even a passing knowledge of the legal system in all it's glory...and some inkling of how things actually work in the real world, of course.
2) No surprise there. See 1) above.

 

[EastUS1]

......

My wife hates when I take a selfie of me pooping in the Clt crew room!

I only do it because it's quiet and comfortable, and yes, I do flush it.

 
Sigh..."You'se" have always impressed us all for being such a truly "class" bunch.
 
Grow Up.

 

[prechilill]

 
Sigh..."You'se" have always impressed us all for being such a truly "class" bunch.
 
Grow Up.

 
 
HA HA HA HA HA
 
East US1, the internet bravado king... 

HA HA HA HA HA HA
 
Hey, "you'se" have a NICe day Mr. "has- been da bestest fighter pilot in my mind"  LOL
 
Enjoy the list ladies!

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

HA HA HA HA HA
 
East US1, the internet bravado king... 

HA HA HA HA HA HA
 
Hey, "you'se" have a NICe day Mr. "has- been da bestest fighter pilot in my mind"  LOL
 
Enjoy the list ladies!

. Funny post from a NONIConic person such as yourself , be looking forward to your next countdown!

 

[dariencc]

I think it's a good time for all of us to take a step back and acknowledge that James H. Anderson was right!
 

Eastpus and Anderson..birds of a feather:

James H. Anderson
November 20,2013
Senior Judge Roslyn O. Silver
United States District Court
Sandra Day O'Connor U.S. Courthouse, Suite 624
401 West Washington Street, SPC 59
Phoenix, AZ 85003-2158
Dear Senior Judge Silver:
It's never been clear to me what a Judge's job is: to apply intellect, scholarly knowledge and
precedent to cases at hand in order to render a scientifically and legally correct verdict, or
to do justice. Or perhaps it is some combination of the two. In a perfect world of course one
would do both simultaneously. But I venture to guess that since our world is imperfect, that
is why your job is such a difficult one. Ajob that one doesn't come by easily.
Though I wouldn'tdare'co'mparemyselfwithsomeone of your credentials and a'U.S; Senate
confirmation no less.Lean fairly say that I did l1otcomebymyjobeasiIy either; '; ,
To (getmyjob I had to have a spotless record, a four-year degree or higher; uncorrected
20/20 visionandabout'Ifl years of applicable experience. Once I'met those qualifications I
felt lucky when I was invited to travel across the countrythree different times for three
succeeding interviews that included challenging written tests, medical and psychological
evaluations, on the job operational testing, verbal quizzing and testing and other extensive
screenings culminating in a very stressful board interview, Only about one out of seven
invitees to the initial interviews ultimately received an offer of employment.
When I accomplished all of this'and was hired for lily dream job at the relatively young age
of 28 I was thrilled. It was reflected by those who surrounded me, who all had to go
through the same selection process. And it was reflected by the career that lay ahead of us.
We all had gotten a job where we worked under one of the leading contracts in the industry
with some of the highest levels of compensation, an outstanding retirement program and
the best training, professional envir-onment and work rules in the industry.
We all looked forward to our defined benefit retirement plan that provided us with a
guaranteed lifetime annuity 'of over $10,000per inonth for life beginning at age 60, or
under many-circumstances a lump sum payment of just over one million dollars:
We werethe bestof the'best andWere compensated accordingly, Formermilitary officers
consisting of commanders, fighter and transport pilots and educated, refined, credentialed,
experienced and carefully selected civilians. We were, and still are, the Sully's of aviation:
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just the kind of person you want in the cockpit of the airliner you're flying on when the
chips are down.
These criteria and compensation levels applied to all three of the legacy airlines that had
come together to form U.S. Airways: Pacific Southwest Airlines (where Sully came from),
Piedmont Airlines where I was hired in 1989, and USAir, with roots back to the original Air
Mail service in the 1930's.
I don't know whether or not you're a fan of baseball but I feel comfortable saying with
some certainty that when a kid is growing up and wants to be a baseball player he doesn't
say "When I grow up I want to play for the Reno Aces!" No, s/he wants to play for the
Arizona Diamondbacks, the San Francisco Giants or the New York Yankees. Not the Fresno
Grizzlies or the Wilkes Barre Rail Riders.
I mention this, much of which you likely already know, because I also have a unique
perspective of America West Airlines: Through a provision of the Transition Agreement I
was one of only 5 "East" pilots who ended up flying out of Phoenix in the former America
West system between December 2007 and August 2008. And let me tell you, it was not
what I was used to!
As it is in baseball, so it is also with the airlines. Nobody with my qualifications aspired to
become a pilot for America West. Rather, the pilots of America West ended up there after
not making the cut at American, Delta, Northwest, United, USAir, PSA, Piedmont or the
other top-tier legacy airlines. I accurately felt that I had temporarily been "sent down" to
AAA from my spot in the major leagues.
All of a sudden I was flying with a group of rag-tag pilots who by their standards, had hit
the big-time and were flying jet airliners. Few, (26%, I am told) had a four-year degree.
Many wore thick glasses and many were quite overweight. Rather than officers, the
military veterans were former load-masters, landing signal officers and other noncommissioned
officers. And the core group who helped to get the airline up and running in
the 1980's were former strike-breakers from the big 1983 strike at Continental Airlines.
Even my simulator training instructor was second-tier. He was an 83 year old subcontractor
in a polo shirt and khakis, not a suit-clad check airman who was a manager in
the flight operations department at a major airline like I was used to.
The same standard held true for their fleet and working conditions. The America West
pilots had no retirement program besides a 401(k), worked to the limits permitted by
regulation and even had a joke about the airplanes they flew. It was "We had a
standardized fleet. Until we got our second airplane." It too was a rag-tag collection of used
and lease-returned airplanes. Never once did a shiny new plane make its way from the
factory straight on over to Phoenix. (Standardization in the cockpit is a hallmark of safety,
and identical cockpits like we had on every single airplane in the East were a rarity on the
West fleet.)
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Upon consummation of the merger the former America West flight operations department,
including all of flight training and standards, was gutted and replaced in its entirety by the
East flight operations department. And the fleet was upgraded. All of the old 737's were
replaced by brand new A-321's and every other airplane was upgraded and retrofitted to
meet the standards of our top-tier airline.
While I was there, America West had its very best pilot contract ever while U.S. Airways
had its absolute worst, after two bankruptcies. Ironically these two contracts were pretty
much the same when it came to total compensation.
I can't tell you how thrilled the five of us East pilots flying in the West were when we got to
return to the East in October, 2008 when the America West Las Vegas base was closed and
Phoenix pilots were furloughed.
Since then and with time it has become increasingly clear that the value of the U.S. Airways
franchise is in the East. Unlike the five of us East pilots who got stuck in the West for a short
time five years ago, today the twenty or so West Pilots who have been flying in the East for
the last severa/years are fighting tooth and nail to not have to go back to the West.
Meanwhile, shiny new Airbuses, including brand new wide-bodies continue to be delivered
to the East as classes of 20 new-hire pilots per month come to the East month after month.
And the East continues to add new international destinations such as Istanbul, Athens and
Edinburgh.
For the old America West, how likely would a merger with American Airlines have been
without U.S. Airways? Please forgive me if I sound like a snob but it is true: Never in their
wildest dreams did a single America West pilot ever think he would be flying brand new
wide-body aircraft to Europe while making $200,000 a year. But now they can.
Why am I telling you all of this? Perhaps I sound entitled. I love to root for the underdog.
But I can tell you this for certain: I earned my job to be with the best of the best when I was
hired in 1989. And I guarantee that anyone of the current West pilots would have accepted
my job offer on the date I got it over the one that they have now if they could have gotten it.
But they couldn't.
If you think it's fair to take a kid who was sitting in new-hire ground school at America
West in 2005 while I had 16 years of service flying in the East and put him over 300
seniority numbers ahead of me, then implement the Nicolau Award.
If you think it's fair to take an America West pilot who started at that airline 10 years after I
was flying at U.S. Airways, who couldn't make the cut at USAir, Piedmont, PSA, American,
Delta or United and make him a wide body captain flying to Europe while simultaneously
making me his career co-pilot, then implement the Nicolau Award.
To be blunt, with the formation of the new American Airlines the pilots of the East and the
pilots at American will be getting the career they qualified for, earned and expected. And
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the pilots of the West will be getting a payday, bonus and career beyond their wildest
expectations. I would hope that that would be enough.
But ifnot, then implement the Nicolau and staple me and my peers behind each and every
one of them.
If that's fair though, I'd have to think that it would be equally fair to place a career Ex Parte
or Municipal Court Judge directly into Federal District Court, while giving him/her
immediate senior status and waiving the Senate confirmation requirements in the process.
Thank you for your consideration,
Sincerely,

- James H. Anderson
Captain, hired June 21, 1989

 

[dariencc]

This flashback to 13 May 2015 is intended as a good faith effort to encourage some healthy self assessment and CRM among the LUS West pilots.  By learning critical lessons from the past, we can help insure that the American Airlines pilots avoid such mistakes in the future. Thank you.
 

It must have seemed like a great idea at the time.  Reject the advice of distinguished labor attorney Jeffrey Freund at Wye River and instead listen to 2004 West hiree and fantasy lawyer Mitch Vasin.  Good call.
 
The respected legal blog, Third Tier Reality, has a certain opinion of Mitch's alma mater.
 
"This for-profit pile of moist fecal matter only cares about raking in money. These selfish swine plan to do so at the expense of your future. Simply put, this school accepts people who have no shot in hell of ever practicing law. One can be accepted to this commode with a pathetic 2.72 UGPA and 144 LSAT score."
 
http://thirdtierreality.blogspot.com/2011/04/fourth-tier-pile-of-moist-feces-phoenix.html

 

[EastUS1]

 
 
HA HA HA HA HA
 
East US1, the internet bravado king... 
HA HA HA HA HA HA
 
Hey, "you'se" have a NICe day Mr. "has- been da bestest fighter pilot in my mind"  LOL
 
Enjoy the list ladies!

 
"Hysteria is a mental disorder which arises from intense anxiety. The patient loses control over his or her acts and emotions and it is usually accompanied by sudden seizures of unconsciousness with emotional outbursts.
It is often due to repressed conflicts within the person."   http://home-cure.net/hysteria/

 

[N924PS]

I think it's a good time for all of us to take a step back and acknowledge that James H. Anderson was right!

I didn't think there were any bigger pompous windbags than you, EastUS and luvthe9, et al.

But I was wrong........

 

[prechilill]

 
"Hysteria is a mental disorder which arises from intense anxiety. The patient loses control over his or her acts and emotions and it is usually accompanied by sudden seizures of unconsciousness with emotional outbursts.
It is often due to repressed conflicts within the person."   http://home-cure.net/hysteria/

 

Describes you to a "T" Mr. Internet Bravado!  
 
God its going to be great watching your heads explode next month when the Nic gets rammed down your throats.  I love it!

 

[luvthe9]

Describes you to a "T" Mr. Internet Bravado!  
 
God its going to be great watching your heads explode next month when the Nic gets rammed down your throats.  I love it!

Congratulations on the NIC, we understand your side leaked the SLI out........going to a while before you can get out of the fishbowl..........