10k To Bail?

[legacy-to-LCC]

just attempting to gauge responses from the line: how is the "buy out" offer included in the f/a ta being recieved out there? my sense is that it would be most attractive to those in the middle (if that exists, anymore) of the seniority list...the senior of the senior (which absolutely exists), it seems to me, would not be drawn to this offer. but, i speculate from the vantage of being in vf status. it is certainly not the dream offer that would create a much less senior and more balanced f/a seniority distribution--a reality where i would probably entertain the idea of returning to flying when my freedom expires...anyway, i would be very curious for some feedback!!!

 

[Winglet]

What makes you think Lakefield will honor any future contracts? How many times do you have to be burned?

 

[ojxux]

You are crazy if you think that any of that money will ever be paid out.

 

[goodstew]

You are crazy if you think that any of that money will ever be paid out.

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take a good look at the TA...you go cruising along through all of the sections and then BAM! you get to the part about the VFLR and the $10,000. is highlighted. Followed by all kinds of fancy wording and conditions.

My Momma always told me, the more words, the more wiggle room.

Very few people if any at all will ever see any money. Just a huge carrot for people not invested enough to read the fine print.

I voted NO - enough is enough. Time to live up to promises made twice before. I will not be burned a third time. Just check out how the pilots like the creative interpretation of their new contract.

 

[blueoceans]

That and the VOLUNTARY furlough F/A's get nothing. Friends with 10-15 years of service and who paid dures for all those years mean nothing to the F/A negotiating committee. Any why do they mean nothing? Because they don't have a vote right now! The F/A leaders should be ashamed of themselves. A union means nothing if not equal treatment for all.

 

[firstamendment]

There are no for sures in life. This I DO know. For three hours in the PHL crew room the other day, F/A BITTER PILL went on and on and on and on and on trashing the t/a, how unhappy she is, how this, that, and the other thing...how the pax this and that and she doesn't get paid enough. I went to the other crew room after 10 minutes to return off and on. She literally did not shut her big, fat negative mouth for three hours.

Now I know that 18 years is equal to 2 years at SWA, but it is still a long time flying, so I feel I can make a pretty good assessment. The passengers are the same, they do the same things they did 18 years ago, and NEWSFLASH..If ANYONE, including the winner of B!tchfest 2004 thinks they can find an entry level at $32000 a year with NO skills, then have at it and vote no. Better yet, take your negative energy and do something else, or better yet, vote yes and hope the company DOES offer enough VFLR to get to your senority. No, it's easier to b!tch.

Either way, if this is voted down, you are stuck with this contract. Check the proceedings in court. If the judge throws out the contracts, the last contract negotiated will be forced upon us. PITBULL, correct me if I am wrong. Then, the negotiations start again. This will NOT accomplish a thing. But of course, those who hate their jobs, hate their coworkers, hate the customers, and hate life period, will welcome an ongoing B!tchfest. I only hope that those ready to go JUST GO!! You see, that kind of misery goes far beyond just wanting a fair contract.

This job is the SAME as it was when I started. The people are the same. The difference? I do less work on the airplane. Some of our f/a's wouldn't be happy if Jesus Christ himself were running the airline.

I understand frustration. I am no different in feeling it or sharing it here, but the miserable, negative spin is a warped CD played over and over, skipping and jumping. For those that hate the company and hate the job, do yourself and all who still love the job a favor and quit. Toss that warped CD in the trash. Do any of you think if I thought life was so miserable here that I would actually STAY. Nothing is worth the self inflicted dis-ease caused from the continual negativity. Take a stand for yourself and get out. <_<

 

[USAirBoyA330]

First-

Here here! Great post.
While I hate to see what is taking place I am so sick of the CONSTANT BROKEN RECORD...I can't even go into the crew room anymore other than to check in. You can come in 6 hours later and the same conversation is going on with the same people.
Everyone will vote for themselves and what is right for THEM and not anyone else. Period. Vote NO or Votes YES...I don't care but just freaking VOTE.

 

[PITbull]

Besides this T/A being highly "concessionary" and having the capability of changing the Industry standards for the legacies and our profession to the negative spectrum probably to infinity....IMO, there are basically TWO very egregious, outrageous provisions in the contract....

1. The Leaves of Absences, INCLUDING MATERNITY that only gives 60 days co. medical or what the law allows (FMLA). To this day, this job is still primarily female, and females get pregnant. They will have to pay full COBRA for family $1,100 per month in order to have medical coverage for the latter part of their pregnancy. F/as don't have that kind of money, and it shows that the co. could care less about pregancies and affordable medical for their employees. They have basically written it in stone that if you want a family or get pregnant, don't take this job or quit. So, presently our flying preganant f/as are so stressed out over this issue, and having a baby should be a joyous time.

I hope they burn in hell for this.

2. The company set the Dec 1 date to purposely exclude these approx 236 returnees who are now paying dues to not be part of the "early out" or VFLR.

Many of you may be thinking, well heck, ists just two groups of people.

Well, the company knows they will start to "recall" the invols once the dust settles and folks go on a list to leave. Also the co. specualtes and hopes they will evenutally hire off the street. These junior folks get pregnant and will be starting families while us senior folks have already had ours. The company knows this and doesn't want to help support their junior employees who get pregnanat and want families.

For these reasons above.... I have voted only once a yes for a contract and that was in 1993. I'm am heavily contemplating a NO vote once again, I can not see myself supporting a proposal and virtually saying that this is "ok".....

Don't think so.

 

[traderjake]

When people buy a ticket do they care if you're pregnent?

Are they willing to pay more for the ticket so you can stay home longer?

That sounds cold but it's reality.

 

[firstamendment]

:angry:

When people buy a ticket do they care if you're pregnent?

Are they willing to pay more for the ticket so you can stay home longer?

That sounds cold but it's reality.

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Traderjack
Yeah, cold and insensitive. :angry: