Yet Another Trust Violation

[UAL_TECH]

Here we are in the midst of intense contract negotiations that include concessions and dumping of our pensions. So to smooth this process, UAL has decided to do C-checks on 747/777 in Pusan with Korean Airlines. :down:

Oh Yea, this will help........

B) UT

 

[local 12 proud]

UAL TECH what checks do you guys have left and where? im also pushing for AMFA here at AA, but when and where will the line be drawn in the sand with this outsourcing of UAL MECHANICS work?

 

[JungleClone]

I understand your anger, but are you really surprised? They got the flexibility to outsource in the last agreement with the union. It stands to reason that they're going to use it if they believe it will save them even a nickel. Of course, I don't care what they say, quality control is lost when you outsource. They may be able to do the work cheaper, but at what cost? We have become an airline run by bean counters. And they're the very bean counters who don't have the first clue how to make this company profitable.

 

[UAL_TECH]

UAL TECH what checks do you guys have left and where? im also pushing for AMFA here at AA, but when and where will the line be drawn in the sand with this outsourcing of UAL MECHANICS work?

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local 12 proud,

Contractually, we have all C-Checks and above (not HMV work).

Not only did UA break the C-Check promise, they also broke the 'No Outsourcing Overseas' promise.

We are in arbitration over this issue.

As I have said before, we (as are us all) are bound by legal constraints.
I just wanted to make two points
1) UA is arrogant and disregards their contractual obligations.
2) They Lie!!!

As for the 'Line in the sand', it's all the legal hoopla that we have to go through.

There are several obstacles and scenarios that could happen in the not too distant future. Stay tuned!!

Take Care,
B) UT

 

[UAL_TECH]

UAL TECH what checks do you guys have left and where? im also pushing for AMFA here at AA, but when and where will the line be drawn in the sand with this outsourcing of UAL MECHANICS work?

[post="265758"][/post]​

Way Points Issue 7 in PDF Format (3.65 MB)

When will we strike?
The most frequently asked question is "When will we strike?" It depends on the details behind the Company motion to abrogate and the court’s ruling. Even then, resolution may be delayed. The US Airways judge abrogated the mechanics’ contract, but stayed his order pending a vote on the final offer before allowing the Company to impose its own terms. As I have said before, precedence does not establish the right to strike under the bankruptcy process. By that I mean it has never been attempted. Many unions make the threat but ultimately resolve their disagreements. This may be because the law is less clear on the right to self help under 1113 than it is under Section 6 of the Railway Labor Act (RLA). We must be cold blooded and look at our options before deciding our tactics. It does not appear logical that a judge would allow permanent contract changes and then allow a legal strike.

Going outside the box
Due to this lack of legal precedence to strike a company in Chapter 11, unions assume the right to strike. Citing the same lack of precedence, companies assume the position that 1113© is not a unilateral change, but is in fact an “authorized change by the court.†The companies argue that any strike is illegal in this context. Proceeding down a legal path at that point, we may be able to strike immediately but the issue could get bogged down in court. If court action denies the right to strike, then a Temporary Restraining Order (TRO) would most likely bar the AMFA National Director from calling a legal strike. Striking would require AMFA National to violate a TRO and call for actions. The members themselves would have to likewise violate a TRO and walk. While all this is hypothetical, it does have some thought provoking points. If we say “No†to any terms, and then subsequently have terms imposed, are we willing as a group to spontaneously walk out? Would there be enough support not only from inside AMFA-UAL, but also the other unions on the property? So far the pilot’s and flight attendant’s unions have reached a settlement [On April 8 the AFA rejected that settlement and now will be a party to the 1113© hearing on May 11]. The smaller unions have done the same. Because most are affiliated with the AFL-CIO, their leaders have made clear that they may not honor our picket lines if we go on strike. While not decisive, it is a factor we should consider.

The bottom line is we must be ready to do what it takes to forge a solid united front to achieve our goals. Solidarity among us is crucial in these difficult times. The Local 9 leadership is prepared to take whatever action we must to defend our rights and protect the contract. It is essential that we do so with our eyes wide open. The membership, as is AMFA’s philosophy, will make the final decision without a recommendation from the NC or other leadership bodies. This is the essence of democracy in action: individual members acting in concert with each other to make a decision with no small consequences either way.

Joseph Prisco, President Local 9

B) UT

 

[Winglet]

Tilton knows none of the UAL labor groups have the nads to strike, so he's going to call the bluff and do what he wants.

 

[mrfish3726]

I can remember during the two years of contract negotiations, Pete McDonald telling the mechanic group and I quote "We are in the people moving business, not the maintenace business." So no surprise that they are going to farm out EVERYTHING they can, sad but true.

 

[Hackman]

Tilton knows none of the UAL labor groups have the nads to strike, so he's going to call the bluff and do what he wants.

[post="265994"][/post]​

IMHO, I think tilton's poker face is about to get called, I'm sorry to say.

AMFA will not back down. Enough is enough. :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:

 

[Winglet]

If the court orders no strike, then the only realistic option is nuclear . . . walk away and leave Tilton in charge of a lot of equipment, facilities, bills due, and no revenue. Wouldn't conducting a chaos campaign would open the union to legal action?

 

[goingboeing]

If the court orders no strike, then the only realistic option is nuclear . . . walk away and leave Tilton in charge of a lot of equipment, facilities, bills due, and no revenue. Wouldn't conducting a chaos campaign would open the union to legal action?

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It is possible that UAL might get a judge to issue a ruling for money against AMFA but it will have to be tested in the courts.
How can a strike be illegal if UAL has abragated the agreement in BK Court?
The union would have no contract with UAL at this point.
There are legal experts who state that the RLA only applies to organized labor who is under contract with a company.

Any strike will have to be tested in the courts and besides a judge could level a 50 million dollar fine against a union but it means absolutely nothing if the union does not have the money to pay it.

 

[Winglet]

It is possible that UAL might get a judge to issue a ruling for money against AMFA but it will have to be tested in the courts.
How can a strike be illegal if UAL has abragated the agreement in BK Court?
The union would have no contract with UAL at this point.
There are legal experts who state that the RLA only applies to organized labor who is under contract with a company.

Any strike will have to be tested in the courts and besides a judge could level a 50 million dollar fine against a union but it means absolutely nothing if the union does not have the money to pay it.

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That's precisely the point. Uncharted territory for a strike in conjunction with an court abrogated contract. In the case that the courts rule in favor of management (almost certain, if the judge is a Republican appointee), a chaos campaign will result in a judgement against the union. A general strike will likely liquidate the company. Any court judgements after that would be practically moot.

If the union is going to point the proverbial gun at Tilton's head, they'd better be willing to pull the proverbial trigger. I'm sure Tilton thinks the unions will bend over long before they do that. If Tilton is right, I don't see the point of even having a union. Might as well be an at-will employee.

 

[UAL_TECH]

AMFA Leaders Prepare for United Airlines Strike

"We have no choice now but to plan for a strike at some point soon," said AMFA National Director O.V Delle-Femine. "We're tired of subsidizing mismanagement that predates the 9/11 tragedy. United is not only destroying our livelihoods, but our retirement security. With the acquiescence of the Pension Benefit Guarantee Corporation, United is digging into taxpayers' pockets to pay for management's long history of under-funding pension plans, even in better economic times, and failing to adapt to changes in the airline industry."

"United says a strike is an illegal violation of the Railway Labor Act. We contest that interpretation and are making preparations to test this issue. As AMFA's national director, I am authorized to call for an immediate nationwide strike and have called strikes three times before at AMFA. Without aircraft technicians on duty, the airline cannot safely fly or comply with federal regulations."

Delle-Femine stressed that throughout this trying period, AMFA members have maintained their professionalism with on-time flight schedules and constant concern for safety and security.

Looks like another 'Perfect Storm' for us here at the "Lazy'U".
AFA threatens CHAOS Strikes; IAM takes a strike vote tomorrow.
Hang on; it's going to be a bumpy ride!!! :blink:


B) UT