WSJ Article: Labor Demands Cloud AMR Outlook

[Wretched Wrench]

AA says "well above a 15-airline average" but "executive compensation is in line with other airlines."

This would seem to be a comparison that is skewed. The catch here is they compared pilots with a stated 15 airlines, only three of which are majors. But it begs the question of which and how many airlines they used for their comparison of executive pay. In addition, executive pay can be fudged and spun any number of ways, as we all have learned. Pinning down executive compensation is like nailing Jello to the wall.

Full article:

 

[Hopeful]

But they fail to mention the raping the employees continue to take.

 

[Winglet]

I don't care what the execs are paid. I only care about what I'm paid. And it ain't enough.

AA can negotiate with their unions or they can take it to BK. Either way is fine with me.

 

[Hopeful]

I don't care what the execs are paid. I only care about what I'm paid. And it ain't enough.

AA can negotiate with their unions or they can take it to BK. Either way is fine with me.

That has been my sentiment prior to the concessions. But now I do care what they are paid because the employees are still sacrificing while the executives are reaping rewards just because they "have a contract."

We should all just be grateful to have a job and wish the executives well with their PUP pay.

 

[whatkindoffreshhell]

First of all, the link does not provide the full article (only one paragraph) and unless you have a WSJ subscription then you cannot read the entire article.

I read the entire article in my hard copy of the WSJ.

Especially interesting was the fact that AA's costs per seat mile are the highest, something like 3.69 cents per mile.

Good luck!

 

[FA Mikey]

AA says "well above a 15-airline average" but "executive compensation is in line with other airlines."

Full article:

I love that, "in line with other airlines". Leave it to the WSJ to play the executives as being paid just average and the union guys being paid over the top. What you will never see is a comparison of a executive pay VS the hourly guy. One guy making 20 dollars and hour and the other making 520 dollars and hour.

 

[Wretched Wrench]

What you will never see is a comparison of a executive pay VS the hourly guy. One guy making 20 dollars and hour and the other making 520 dollars and hour.

Actually the spread is even higher than that. .....Way higher.

20 years ago, a CEO of a major company made about 20 times what the average employee made. Now, it is somewhere between 350 and 450 times, depending on which study you believe.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Especially interesting was the fact that AA's costs per seat mile are the highest, something like 3.69 cents per mile.

Good luck!

I take it that is labor cost per ASM since it's way too low to be CASM.

Jim

 

[Wretched Wrench]

First of all, the link does not provide the full article (only one paragraph) and unless you have a WSJ subscription then you cannot read the entire article.

Quite often, you can Google a phrase from the first paragraph and the complete article will appear on another site.

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[frontline]

I don't care what the execs are paid. I only care about what I'm paid. And it ain't enough.

AA can negotiate with their unions or they can take it to BK. Either way is fine with me.

I agree with the first part, but I don't want to see it go the bk route. We simply have too much to lose, including having a role in contract negotiations. The court would simply impose one on us, probably with more concessions.

I still think it's the pilots who are being the most demanding and unrealistic, and putting all of our livelihoods at risk.

 

[Hopeful]

I agree with the first part, but I don't want to see it go the bk route. We simply have too much to lose, including having a role in contract negotiations. The court would simply impose one on us, probably with more concessions.

I still think it's the pilots who are being the most demanding and unrealistic, and putting all of our livelihoods at risk.

Providing you are a union member, have you spoken to any of your union reps?

I have...As for the TWU, this company wants very badly to start using non-licensed mechanics at the line stations. And guess what, frontline,,,,THEY DON'T WANT TO GIVE US ANYTHING...THEY WANT MORE CONCESSIONS.......

 

[The Goose]

Providing you are a union member, have you spoken to any of your union reps?

I have...As for the TWU, this company wants very badly to start using non-licensed mechanics at the line stations. And guess what, frontline,,,,THEY DON'T WANT TO GIVE US ANYTHING...THEY WANT MORE CONCESSIONS.......

For years, all airlines have touted their mechanics' qualifications. Now it seems as though our lovely TWU, while pursuing the corporate greed, has ignored this. The non-licensed mechanic issue is what our so-called representation should be bringing to the forefront instead of the very public whining about "they get more than us" crap re: the executive bonuses.

Many of us could write quite a large book about how aircraft safety is totally ignored but manages to satisfy the FAA's paper requirements and how American's so-called management games this system, obviously with the FAA's tacit approval.

A strike or other job action won't accomplish anything regardless of the workgroup, but I'd be willing to wager a public disclosure of a few facts would turn some heads - even some heads that are paid not to see.

 

[FWAAA]

For years, all airlines have touted their mechanics' qualifications. Now it seems as though our lovely TWU, while pursuing the corporate greed, has ignored this. The non-licensed mechanic issue is what our so-called representation should be bringing to the forefront instead of the very public whining about "they get more than us" crap re: the executive bonuses.

Doesn't the TWU represent quite a few non-licensed mechanics at the overhaul bases? I see a conflict of interest. I agree that your (A&P license holder) union should be fighting to eliminate non-license holders from the property or at least prevent them from ever touching an airplane. How to do that when the worthless union represents them?

 

[The Goose]

Doesn't the TWU represent quite a few non-licensed mechanics at the overhaul bases? I see a conflict of interest. I agree that your (A&P license holder) union should be fighting to eliminate non-license holders from the property or at least prevent them from ever touching an airplane. How to do that when the worthless union represents them?

The vast majority of mechanics in the hangers, at least at TULE, are certificated. There are some that were placed in the hangers due to layoffs/downsizing/shuffling years ago and stayed but most do have their certs. When one wants to bid, hanger positions aren't available to the non-certificated, but should the company decide you're gone out there, you become the most qualified SOB in the world to take the job.

Personally I've seen a few certificated gents that are not deserving of same, let alone cleaning a crapper, but, they were able to pass three government proctored, multiple guess tests and a practical exam, most of which was administered at the facility they paid to train them in aviation (quite a conflict of interest there) by a FAA rep on the staff of the school.

Technically, anyone can work on an aircraft as long as they're supervised by a certificate holder, but the work must be cleared by a certificated mechanic. There are a few other picky odds and ends in the requirements re: signoffs, but those are the absolute basics.

 

[Wretched Wrench]

Doesn't the TWU represent quite a few non-licensed mechanics at the overhaul bases? I see a conflict of interest. I agree that your (A&P license holder) union should be fighting to eliminate non-license holders from the property or at least prevent them from ever touching an airplane. How to do that when the worthless union represents them?

There is no conflict of interest.

The TWU wants to collect dues. That is their only interest. Unlicensed mechanics do not conflict with that.

If AA outsources maintenance to a chop shop with unlicensed mechanics, the TWU loses. If AA has non-licensed mechs, the TWU still collects dues.

Follow the money.