wow thats alot of letters! Anyway as of the 15th of November, AA and WN's Flight Attendants will have unlimited jumpseat (cabin seat only) agreements- just as the pilots. The first in US Aviation History. Congrats to AA and WN. Includes all 50 US states and owned territories.
Wn/aa Fa J/s Agreement
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Tuesday, November 1, 2005
On behalf of the more than 27,000 American Airlines and Southwest Airlines Flight Attendants represented by our organizations, we are thrilled to announce one of the first large-scale Flight Attendant Reciprocal Cabin Seat Agreements in the U.S. Airline industry.
This program is governed by a reciprocal agreement between American Airlines, Inc., American Eagle and Southwest Airlines Co. to further enhance the current structure of the JUMPSEAT AUTHORIZED PASSENGER SEAT ONLY PROGRAM currently available only to Cockpit Crewmembers. This program enhancement is designed to aid the commuting Flight Attendant who is flying between his/her home base and scheduled work domicile. In short, this allows all active American Airlines, American Eagle & Southwest Airlines Cabin Crewmembers to travel in what would be empty cabin seats free of charge on each others aircraft.
This privilege becomes effective November 15, 2005 on a trial basis and will be reviewed after six months to identify and address any concerns. At that time, a determination will be made as to whether we will continue and/or expand the program. We cannot stress how much of a benefit this program is to American/American Eagle and Southwest Flight Attendants and the potential it has to benefit all Flight Attendants throughout the U.S. It also cannot be overstressed the important role each of us who use this program will play in ensuring its future viability, growth and/or enhancement. What we are alluding to is the crucial role professionalism will play when traveling in the cabins of each others aircraft - especially in these times of corporate political difference, referring to the Wright Amendment initiatives currently playing out in the public arena. What is important to remember is this program is a benefit that eclipses the color or logo on your Company's aircraft. Actually, this program and your behavior when utilizing it speaks to your commitment to your chosen profession and demands each of us who utilize it to treat each other with the respect so duly earned as Flight Attendants.
Attached is both a Policy Statement outlining the agreement and the Flight Attendant Q&A detailing procedures. Both documents are also available electronically through your Company's Crewmember site. Please review the associated policies and procedures carefully before attempting to travel under this agreement.
Respectfully,
The Leadership Teams of:
Transport Workers Union of America, AFL-CIO, Air Transport Division, Local 556 - Representing the Flight Attendants of Southwest Airlines Co.
The Association of Professional Flight Attendants - Representing the Flight Attendants of American Airlines, Inc.
Southwest Airlines Co.
American Airlines / American Eagle, Inc.
On behalf of the more than 27,000 American Airlines and Southwest Airlines Flight Attendants represented by our organizations, we are thrilled to announce one of the first large-scale Flight Attendant Reciprocal Cabin Seat Agreements in the U.S. Airline industry.
This program is governed by a reciprocal agreement between American Airlines, Inc., American Eagle and Southwest Airlines Co. to further enhance the current structure of the JUMPSEAT AUTHORIZED PASSENGER SEAT ONLY PROGRAM currently available only to Cockpit Crewmembers. This program enhancement is designed to aid the commuting Flight Attendant who is flying between his/her home base and scheduled work domicile. In short, this allows all active American Airlines, American Eagle & Southwest Airlines Cabin Crewmembers to travel in what would be empty cabin seats free of charge on each others aircraft.
This privilege becomes effective November 15, 2005 on a trial basis and will be reviewed after six months to identify and address any concerns. At that time, a determination will be made as to whether we will continue and/or expand the program. We cannot stress how much of a benefit this program is to American/American Eagle and Southwest Flight Attendants and the potential it has to benefit all Flight Attendants throughout the U.S. It also cannot be overstressed the important role each of us who use this program will play in ensuring its future viability, growth and/or enhancement. What we are alluding to is the crucial role professionalism will play when traveling in the cabins of each others aircraft - especially in these times of corporate political difference, referring to the Wright Amendment initiatives currently playing out in the public arena. What is important to remember is this program is a benefit that eclipses the color or logo on your Company's aircraft. Actually, this program and your behavior when utilizing it speaks to your commitment to your chosen profession and demands each of us who utilize it to treat each other with the respect so duly earned as Flight Attendants.
Attached is both a Policy Statement outlining the agreement and the Flight Attendant Q&A detailing procedures. Both documents are also available electronically through your Company's Crewmember site. Please review the associated policies and procedures carefully before attempting to travel under this agreement.
Respectfully,
The Leadership Teams of:
Transport Workers Union of America, AFL-CIO, Air Transport Division, Local 556 - Representing the Flight Attendants of Southwest Airlines Co.
The Association of Professional Flight Attendants - Representing the Flight Attendants of American Airlines, Inc.
Southwest Airlines Co.
American Airlines / American Eagle, Inc.
NewHampshire Black Bears
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BUT, with all the acrimony going on with the Wright Ammendment, I thought AA and WN, HATE each other ??
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Where ever there are, "HERB" and uncle "BOBBY CRANDALL" are having a good "chuckle" over this good anouncement !!!!!!!!!!!
For all you "Rookie" AAers and Wners, WN and AA have co-existed in North texas, FOR MANY YEARS !!!!!!!
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Where ever there are, "HERB" and uncle "BOBBY CRANDALL" are having a good "chuckle" over this good anouncement !!!!!!!!!!!For all you "Rookie" AAers and Wners, WN and AA have co-existed in North texas, FOR MANY YEARS !!!!!!!
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corl737
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AA and WN employees seem to get along just fine. We give each other a hard time and call each other some creative phrases occasionally but in the end we all simply want to do the very best job we can with what we have to work with. It's the ego-maniac cities of Dallas and Fort Worth that need taken out behind the wood shed!
... but then, that's just my opinion!
NewHampshire Black Bears
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AA and WN employees seem to get along just fine. We give each other a hard time and call each other some creative phrases occasionally but in the end we all simply want to do the very best job we can with what we have to work with. It's the ego-maniac cities of Dallas and Fort Worth that need taken out behind the wood shed!
... but then, that's just my opinion!
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Corl737,
I've learned, over these last 26 years, that in this business, to..."NEVER say NEVER" !!
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"What say you.........KCFlyer" ????
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markkus757
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It shows that the employees are much more civilized than management is. Congrats.
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I tend to agree with corl737...AA and WN have existed together for 30+ years. Their might be some "company pride" that rises up from time to time, but even if the WA falls, the result will be increased competition among the two. I think that AA isn't going to waste a lot of money to "put Southwest out of business". The result of the WA falling, IMHO, is that it's a win for North Texas consumers, and I honestly believe it will be a win for Southwest AND American. After all, AA has done pretty well in Chicago all these years with WN operating just a few miles down the road. I don't think Dallas would be any different.
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My questions about the JS agreement...
1. Does this allow SW flight attendants to fly free of charge, space available of course, on AA and vice versa? Reason I ask is that I have less than 5 years with AA and I am still charged a service charge to fly even in coach on AA. For instance, DFW-STL costs $10.73. It ain't much (well, it is almost 30 minutes gross pay), but that's not the point. Most airlines, especially SWA, give their employees free space available travel from day 1. I won't get free coach travel until I have 5 years. If I moved back into my house in Houston, it would cost me $21.46 one way to commute to work in STL because it is a two-leg commute and the charge is per leg. (Yes, IAH-DFW costs the same as DFW-STL. $10.73 is the minimum charge on any leg in the system. It goes up with longer legs, but not that much. DFW-LAX is only $12.20 OW.)
If I take a jumpseat boarding pass, I can fly for free, but anything much longer than DFW-STL can be a real trial on the jumpseat.
2. What is SWA's carry-on bag policy for crewmembers? At AA, uniformed crew members (for any airline) are allowed up to 3 carryons (as long as they fit in the o/h bins or under a seat) because so many commute. I will need 3 bags tomorrow because I will be in STL for 5-6 days on reserve. Can't get 5 days worth of underwear plus my exercise clothes in one rollaboard.
1. Does this allow SW flight attendants to fly free of charge, space available of course, on AA and vice versa? Reason I ask is that I have less than 5 years with AA and I am still charged a service charge to fly even in coach on AA. For instance, DFW-STL costs $10.73. It ain't much (well, it is almost 30 minutes gross pay), but that's not the point. Most airlines, especially SWA, give their employees free space available travel from day 1. I won't get free coach travel until I have 5 years. If I moved back into my house in Houston, it would cost me $21.46 one way to commute to work in STL because it is a two-leg commute and the charge is per leg. (Yes, IAH-DFW costs the same as DFW-STL. $10.73 is the minimum charge on any leg in the system. It goes up with longer legs, but not that much. DFW-LAX is only $12.20 OW.)
If I take a jumpseat boarding pass, I can fly for free, but anything much longer than DFW-STL can be a real trial on the jumpseat.
2. What is SWA's carry-on bag policy for crewmembers? At AA, uniformed crew members (for any airline) are allowed up to 3 carryons (as long as they fit in the o/h bins or under a seat) because so many commute. I will need 3 bags tomorrow because I will be in STL for 5-6 days on reserve. Can't get 5 days worth of underwear plus my exercise clothes in one rollaboard.
My questions about the JS agreement...
1. Does this allow SW flight attendants to fly free of charge, space available of course, on AA and vice versa? Reason I ask is that I have less than 5 years with AA and I am still charged a service charge to fly even in coach on AA. For instance, DFW-STL costs $10.73. It ain't much (well, it is almost 30 minutes gross pay), but that's not the point. Most airlines, especially SWA, give their employees free space available travel from day 1. I won't get free coach travel until I have 5 years. If I moved back into my house in Houston, it would cost me $21.46 one way to commute to work in STL because it is a two-leg commute and the charge is per leg. (Yes, IAH-DFW costs the same as DFW-STL. $10.73 is the minimum charge on any leg in the system. It goes up with longer legs, but not that much. DFW-LAX is only $12.20 OW.)
If I take a jumpseat boarding pass, I can fly for free, but anything much longer than DFW-STL can be a real trial on the jumpseat.
2. What is SWA's carry-on bag policy for crewmembers? At AA, uniformed crew members (for any airline) are allowed up to 3 carryons (as long as they fit in the o/h bins or under a seat) because so many commute. I will need 3 bags tomorrow because I will be in STL for 5-6 days on reserve. Can't get 5 days worth of underwear plus my exercise clothes in one rollaboard.
Jim,
1. Yes. It's pretty clear in the language, have you had a chance to read the looooooonnnnnggg thing??
2. SWA allows crewmembers their baggage, usually a rollaboard, briefcase/backpack bag, and food bag. The only problem will be the heaviness of the pax load. With you boarding last, the question will be available bin space, not the willingness of the crew to help (I'm sure other crewmembers haven't read your rants about the WA here, KIDDING!!!!!)
VERY impressed with the teams at both airlines that were able to focus on making communting lives easier.
jimntx
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I tried...kept falling into a coma (this from a guy who once read the entire f/a contract (domestic only)).
I sent an email to our V-P for Flight Service this afternoon pointing out the irony of SW flight attendants get to fly free on AA, I get to fly free on SW, and yet I have to pay to fly on AA.
Jim,
You're more than welcome to give up your senority at American and fly for the other guys in the Metroplex, if the "paying for non-rev" issue is a deal breaker for you.
jimntx
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Jim,
You're more than welcome to give up your senority at American and fly for the other guys in the Metroplex, if the "paying for non-rev" issue is a deal breaker for you.
It's not the money. It's the principle of the thing. (Note: Anytime somebody says it's not the money, it's the money.
)FYI, I applied on-line to SWA in July of 2003 right after I was furloughed from AA. At the time I thought there was no way I would get recalled. SWA sent me a notice of interview appointment in Dec. 2004, the month after I was recalled to AA and 18 months after I applied.
Skyguy25,
Why don't you talk about something you know about for a change!! It will work, people will have no problem making it work. We have already been doing this for more than 6 months with Frontier and Skywest and no problems. Postive attitudes make for a happier life. Try it.
Why don't you talk about something you know about for a change!! It will work, people will have no problem making it work. We have already been doing this for more than 6 months with Frontier and Skywest and no problems. Postive attitudes make for a happier life. Try it.
