WHOA ! .." STOP the PRESSES" //// G O P Full of SHITE !

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

http://money.cnn.com/2014/05/14/smallbusiness/minimum-wage-washington-jobs/
 
BUT.......eolesen, 700, 'DOG , dell, 'TREE,  et al, I mean 'RUSH said.................., Mark LEVINE said................., Sean    'Hand it to me' said...........that raising the minimum wage would  "HURT Small Business"  !!
 
" It DEFIES the CONVENTIONAL WISDOM of Many BUSINESS LOBBIES (a k a...CAPITALISM at A N Y COST), who predict economic Catastrophe "
 
What am I missing here  ? ? ? ?

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

I think that may have been true a year ago, but not today. I think the economy is coming back and it probably would not hurt to raise it. Not to 15 dollars an hour though. 

 

[MCI transplant]

http://money.cnn.com/2014/05/14/smallbusiness/minimum-wage-washington-jobs/
 
BUT.......eolesen, 700, 'DOG , dell, 'TREE,  et al, I mean 'RUSH said.................., Mark LEVINE said................., Sean    'Hand it to me' said...........that raising the minimum wage would  "HURT Small Business"  !!
 
" It DEFIES the CONVENTIONAL WISDOM of Many BUSINESS LOBBIES (a k a...CAPITALISM at A N Y COST), who predict economic Catastrophe "
 
What am I missing here  ? ? ? ?

Your brain!

 

[signals]

http://money.cnn.com/2014/05/14/smallbusiness/minimum-wage-washington-jobs/
 
BUT.......eolesen, 700, 'DOG , dell, 'TREE,  et al, I mean 'RUSH said.................., Mark LEVINE said................., Sean    'Hand it to me' said...........that raising the minimum wage would  "HURT Small Business"  !!
 
" It DEFIES the CONVENTIONAL WISDOM of Many BUSINESS LOBBIES (a k a...CAPITALISM at A N Y COST), who predict economic Catastrophe "
 
What am I missing here  ? ? ? ?

Coherence.

 

[signals]

I wonder if they factored in their marijuana industry into the equation. The state is creating jobs in this new sector, so statistics can be deceiving for the rest of us.

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

Your brain!

Soooo,........you dispute the FACTS about the article MCI ?
 
I'm always wary of ANY guy who potrays himself as a UNION Man, yet goes into the voting booth and votes for a republican...EVER  !!!!!

 

[FWAAA]

Soooo,........you dispute the FACTS about the article MCI ?
 
I'm always wary of ANY guy who potrays himself as a UNION Man, yet goes into the voting booth and votes for a republican...EVER  !!!!!

I take it you weren't in Chicago on August 28, 1968.    I have one friend who claims that Mayor Daley converted a young Democrat into a lifelong Republican that day.   Just as President Johnson had been doing for several years by sending young men to die in Viet Nam and then lying to us about how we were "winning" that war.   Daley was a northern Democrat, but the South had quite a few winners as well.  
 
How about Governor Wallace and millions of racist Democrats just like him?    Proud of those Democrats?    Who did you vote for in the 1968 election, Bears?   
 
I'm wary of any person (guy?) who portrays themselves as a UNION MEMBER (Man?) yet preaches to us that Republican=Bad and Democrat=Good.    Bears, there are an awful lot of women in the workforce, many of them good union members.   And not all of them are Democrats.   
 
Unions like to tell their members that all that money they've spent in Washington DC is helping the plight of the "working man," but in reality it's just another reason that union membership has declined in the private sector.   Politics and Religion don't mix with the working world, yet unions ignorantly continue to insist on mixing politics with work.   That turns off like, maybe, half or more of the workforce.   
 
For those who want to be active in politics, fine.   But the constant drumbeat that Democrats are the only way to true Salvation for Working Men is nonsense.   Most working people realize that.

 

[southwind]

What am I missing here  ? ? ? ?

Where to begin?

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

I take it you weren't in Chicago on August 28, 1968.    I have one friend who claims that Mayor Daley converted a young Democrat into a lifelong Republican that day.   Just as President Johnson had been doing for several years by sending young men to die in Viet Nam and then lying to us about how we were "winning" that war.   Daley was a northern Democrat, but the South had quite a few winners as well.  
 
How about Governor Wallace and millions of racist Democrats just like him?    Proud of those Democrats?    Who did you vote for in the 1968 election, Bears?   
 
I'm wary of any person (guy?) who portrays themselves as a UNION MEMBER (Man?) yet preaches to us that Republican=Bad and Democrat=Good.    Bears, there are an awful lot of women in the workforce, many of them good union members.   And not all of them are Democrats.   
 
Unions like to tell their members that all that money they've spent in Washington DC is helping the plight of the "working man," but in reality it's just another reason that union membership has declined in the private sector.   Politics and Religion don't mix with the working world, yet unions ignorantly continue to insist on mixing politics with work.   That turns off like, maybe, half or more of the workforce.   
 
For those who want to be active in politics, fine.   But the constant drumbeat that Democrats are the only way to true Salvation for Working Men is nonsense.   Most working people realize that.

Which is exactly why I have said so many times that the UNIONS in the private sector need to get out of politics. 

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

Now you guys aren't claiming that all those high hourly wages at union jobs....are the result of Republicans are you  ?????

 

[eolesen]

If you want to get down to brass tacks, Bears, if the guys who invested the money to create and build up a company are Republicans, then yes, those union jobs and the resulting wages they provide *are* more of a results of Republicans than they are Democrats.

Try to remember that companies exist just fine with or without a union.

Unions, OTOH, have a much more difficult time remaining if there isn't someone willing to invest their money and/or keep the company a going concern. No company, no jobs. No jobs, no union dues.

But hey, let's not let economic gravity get in a way of a good rant, eh?...


Now... getting back into the actual topic.

I've seen estimates that 15,000 jobs were created from the legalization of pot (that's the entire supply and oversight chain from growers to retailers to regulators).

Looking more at a macro level, the data seem to indicate that most of the job growth in Washington State is coming from non-minimum wage job creation:
 
http://seattletimes.com/html/businesstechnology/2024301101_unemploymentjulyxml.html
 

In Washington, the job sector hit the hardest during the recession was construction, losing 48,500 jobs, Robinson said. It is also the sector struggling the most in the recovery, beginning June 2009.

But with companies like Microsoft, Amazon and Boeing around Seattle, the new jobs, replacing those lost, are not strictly low-wage jobs in hospitality and administrative support.

The retail sector, which includes Amazon, has grown almost 12 percent since the start of the recovery.

Professional and business services has seen about 14 percent growth through the economic recovery as well. Included in that sector is “computer systems and design services,” which encompasses a lot of Seattle’s tech companies and grew 39 percent right through the recession, Robinson said.

“We are seeing a lot more growth in jobs across the wage spectrum,” Turek said. “We saw the low wage job growth, but we are also seeing the high wage. What was missing was the middle wage industries — and over the last year, we’ve seen middle wage start to occur more.”

In July, the largest job increases statewide were seen in the professional and business services sector, with 4,500 new jobs, followed by leisure and hospitality with 4,000, construction with 2,300 and both retail and education and health services up 1,100.

“As employment has grown and people have more money to spend, people are traveling and eating away from home,” Turek said, explaining the large jump in jobs in the leisure and hospitality sector.

On the downside, government shrank by 2,100 positions since June. The transportation, warehousing and utilities industry also lost 1,700.

If it's true that high-wage earners tend to eat out and shop more, then it only makes sense that someone needs to be there to wait and bus the tables, stock the shelves, and run the cash registers.

But to try and claim that those jobs were created as a result of a higher minimum wage? Yeah, not quite. It's more reasonable to have expected that more jobs could have been created at the low end of the wage scale with a market-driven wage. Clearly, we're not seeing the bottom growing as fast as the higher end of the wage scales.

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

Stick to the exact point I made with my topic, that the business lobbies are full of SH*T when they 'claimed' that the SEA/$15 would not work !
 
Game........Set......Match  !!!!!!!!!!
 
 
And as far as your fallacy about ......'No Jobs....No Unions', give me ONE....O N E example of how that applies to the west coast dockworkers  who handle EVERY piece of cargo...in and out of ports like YVR/SEA/SFO/LAX, or the 'Boys working for 'Warren on BNSF, who together are getting those Chink TV's to the massive population centers of LAX/ORD/NYC...Faster than ANYONE else can ?
(Unless the price of Air Cargo goes to a Penny a pound ) !
 
C'mon Eric, just ONE 'lil  'ol EXAMPLE  !

 

[Dog Wonder]

E admitting he was wrong?

 

[eolesen]

And as far as your fallacy about ......'No Jobs....No Unions', give me ONE....O N E example of how that applies to the west coast dockworkers  who handle EVERY piece of cargo...in and out of ports like YVR/SEA/SFO/LAX, or the 'Boys working for 'Warren on BNSF, who together are getting those Chink TV's to the massive population centers of LAX/ORD/NYC... !

I'll be happy to give you more than one example, Bears.

You seem to have an unhealthy fascination with dockworkers, but since you brought it up,who do you think generates all that cargo crossing the docks?...

12% of all container traffic coming into the US is headed to Walmart. 8% is headed to Target.

Expanding that window a bit, 40% of all container traffic is headed to Walmart, Target, Home Depot, Lowes, Dole, Sears, and Chiquita.

When you add in Heineken, Samsung, Phillips, LG, and Ikea, that's 12 corporations driving 50% of the traffic. Clearly, a bunch of companies who value US labor and union wages; otherwise, they wouldn't be importing so much being manufactured overseas, right?...


On the bulk and export side, one of the largest exports from the U.S is trash...

The top 20 exporters are dominated by a dozen or so companies who take all that white paper and cardboard we diligently recycle, and send it off to places like China, so they can transform it into more cardboard boxes to ship all those cheap TV's and toasters back to the US...

Outside of trash, it's companies like Koch (your buddies, eh?), Cargill, ADM, Dupont, Weyerhaeuser, Delong, and Dow. Not exactly bastions of liberalism, friends of the Sierra Club or Occupy Wall Street.


Now... Start digging into who owns and runs those various corporations, Bears...

Sure, there are a few who are known Democrat supporters, like the CEO of ADM, who directly benefits from things like farm subsidies, but in general, they tend to be a pretty conservative group.

So, we're back to "No company, no jobs."

Without those companies, there'd be no cargo to handle. Without cargo to handle, there'd be no dockworkers.

 

[whatkindoffreshhell]

Absolutely the west coast union dockworkers have doomed jobs.  I've seen (and authorized payment for)  the outrageous labor invoices out there.  $150K per year for a clerk to to determine which box is heaviest??  We are witnessing the decline already per the JOC.
 
Side note --- can the mods put an auto-correct spelling tool on NHBB's posts?
 
 
 
And as far as your fallacy about ......'No Jobs....No Unions', give me ONE....O N E example of how that applies to the west coast dockworkers  who handle EVERY piece of cargo...in and out of ports like YVR/SEA/SFO/LAX, or the 'Boys working for 'Warren on BNSF, who together are getting those Chink TV's to the massive population centers of LAX/ORD/NYC...Faster than ANYONE else can ?
(Unless the price of Air Cargo goes to a Penny a pound ) !
 
C'mon Eric, just ONE 'lil  'ol EXAMPLE  !