Way To Go Iam Boys

[Hopeful]

Well, here you have it. The mighty IAM seems to be relieved that they still get union dues.

Associated Press
US Airways Machinists OK Pay, Benefit Cuts
Friday January 21, 8:11 pm ET
Machinists at Bankrupt US Airways' Last Holdout Union Approve Pay and Benefit Cuts


MCLEAN, Va. (AP) -- Machinists at bankrupt US Airways' last holdout union voted Friday to approve pay and benefit cuts that will save the airline almost $270 million -- but cost thousands of union members their jobs.
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Friday's vote by the machinists union gives the airline a reduction of more than $1 billion in its annual labor costs, the level management said was necessary to be viable in an increasingly cutthroat industry.

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[seed]

They were cought between a brick and a hard place.

If the unions had voted against the contracts, the contracts would then have been canceled altogether by court order and the airline would have been free to impose harsher terms.

Machinists have been working for several months under a 21 percent pay cut imposed by the bankruptcy court.

Do you really see this as a "IAM" default? This is a no win scenario. Now Roach expects management to lead the way out of BK, yeah right. It will get to the point that AAR is the leading wage earners. Goodbye airlines, hello welfare!

 

[Hopeful]

They were cought between a brick and a hard place.
Do you really see this as a "IAM" default?  This is a no win scenario.  Now Roach expects management to lead the way out of BK, yeah right.  It will get to the point that AAR is the leading wage earners.  Goodbye airlines, hello welfare!

[post="241169"][/post]​

I meant that for the IAM members as well. But the statements by Roach and O'Driscoll are typical rhethoric. When management comes back for more concessions down the road because, as they stated, they do not expect a substantial profit until 2008. They are on the balls of their ass now. How do you expect them to hold on til 2008?

They can always say, "Well, the membership voted for this."

 

[will fix for food]

What bunch of scabs! Frank Lorenzo is smiling right now. The A+P mechanic profession is doomed! Thanks IAM SCABS! :down:

[post="241176"][/post]​

A scab is somone that crosses a picket line. Do not use the term SCAB incorrectly because in time it will dilute the proper meaning, and everyone should know EXACTLY what a SCAB is.

 

[PRINCESS KIDAGAKASH]

Well buddy, Anyone who will not fight and accepts concessions after concessions,and is unwilling to strike a company,when a strike is definitely needed, is a scab in my book! We are scabs here at AA! We should have went to war to protect our wages and benefits, BUT NOOO! The TWU sheep voted YES, and now the concession stand is opening up again here at AA and soon at every airline in the USA! When will anyone put their foot down and say enough is enough?!

 

[seed]

Here's the deal Princess. As I see it, the company/companies are waiting for us to get to the level you describe. Doomed! That saves them one hell of a fight.

And it's time to ixnay the sheep BS. Our co-workers vote their minds. Because it doesn't coincide with our focus does not make them sheep. Fact is, we are under attack, taking fire, without arms to return fire.

 

[TIME FOR CHANGE]

Fact is, we are under attack, taking fire, without arms to return fire.

TheFact is the amunition takes off and lands everyday. When it doesnt take off that is our arms returning fire. B)

 

[The Dissident]

It seems the IAM rolled over again. All that tough talk at USAIR and for what-NOTHNG!!!!!! YOu should really change your name to the WHIMPEWRING machinists. Yea all you old time unionists really showed everybody else how to break our backs didnt ya. You deserve everything you get and I hope you now have to work 2 and 3 jobs just to make ends meet. I hope all you yes voters loose everything you own for what you have done to the rest of the industry.

 

[Baja4U]

It seems the IAM rolled over again. All that tough talk at USAIR and for what-NOTHNG!!!!!! YOu should really change your name to the WHIMPEWRING machinists. Yea all you old time unionists really showed everybody else how to break our backs didnt ya. You deserve everything you get and I hope you now have to work 2 and 3 jobs just to make ends meet. I hope all you yes voters loose everything you own for what you have done to the rest of the industry.

[post="241527"][/post]​

You are right , our sorry arsh membership and IAM leading the way to the bottom !!!! :down:

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

They were cought between a brick and a hard place.
Do you really see this as a "IAM" default? This is a no win scenario. Now Roach expects management to lead the way out of BK, yeah right. It will get to the point that AAR is the leading wage earners. Goodbye airlines, hello welfare!

[post="241169"][/post]​

Seed,

When caught between a brick and a hard place one should pick up that brick and hurl it right at the head of the airline industrial union's UNELECTED leaders! Look, if you want to say the members voted for concessions... AGAIN... go ahead. But let's face it once and for all OK? The iam brought back concessions howmany times? When is enough enough? The mighty iam threatened a strike if USAir took some a/c to a 3rd party overhaul facility. The company did so, in violation of the contract. The iam rolled over. Where was the strike?

I feel for the USAir employees but they should have voted NO. The iam should NEVER have brought back concessions... a FOURTH time... to the members. The iam should have said no and waited for the company to implement their version of AA's Vermont plan and then shut the place down.

Would people have lost their jobs? Sure. Would that have helped other airline employees? Yes. Now before the twu supporting alias using cowards start to accuse me of typical twu "Me, me, me." mentality think first. I do not want anyone to lose their jobs. But when does labor in the airlines stand up? The iam never even took a strike vote! USAir employees should be able to hold their heads high and live on their feet... but by accepting concessions a fourth time they have shown their weakness and cowardice. The iam has allowed the bar to be placed even lower now. I sure hope people in Tulsa can look down the road a bit because with the mad dash to outsource heavy maintenance coupled with the iam and twu's inability to fight they should start learning Spanish. El Salvador is sure to open their arms to the likes of high speed steel and twuer and of course cio.

Someone used the word "scab" to describe USAir people who accepted concessions a fourth time. That word gets thrown around easily in today's environement. I believe this person understands the word but implies the feeling one feels towards a "scab" merely to express their anger. The proper word should be SHEEP! A "scab" makes a decision to sell their soul for a mere buck or two. A SHEEP simply follows the sheep in front of him/her to slaughter. They are brainless.

I am sure the concessions swallowed by the iam will save USAir... till at least March. Then it is back to more lay offs, more contracting and of course more concessions.

SHAME ON THE iam AND SHAME ON THE YES VOTERS AT USAir!

 

[TIME FOR CHANGE]

SHAME ON THE iam AND SHAME ON THE YES VOTERS AT USAir!

DITTO :down:

 

[seed]

I agree Ken, but it is the company, or companies that keep asking for concessions. It is the union's job, wether elected officers or appointed officers, AMFA or TWU or IAM, to bring to the membership the best offer possible. It is then the job of the membership to reject those pieces of crap *excuse my anger. I wholeheartedly agree we should throw those bricks right back at the company's laughing mouth, breaking teeth in the process.

Shame on all of our profession for not uniting in this battle against the companies and judges. We lack backbone and conviction, myself included. I feel I should have put forward an effort years ago.

 

[AMFAMAN]

It is the union's job, wether elected officers or appointed officers, AMFA or TWU or IAM, to bring to the membership the best offer possible. It is then the job of the membership to reject those pieces of crap *excuse my anger.

[post="241692"][/post]​

Therein lies the difference between what the TWU and the IAM have done with concessions and the current pact to be voted on at UAL. Let us not forget the liquidation threat by Mr. Little(if you don't vote for it, the company will liquidate) or the B.S. regarding the BK procedures spread by the twu. How about the refusal to bring forward a strike vote by the twu at AA to show we mean business, yes Jimmy Little refused to allow it. Let us not forget the IAM, vote on it till you get it right. I am impressed so far by AMFA at UAL by taking a strike vote along with concession vote. I have seen them allow their members and officers to express their respective opinions, both yes and no towards the agreement. I have seen no liquidation threats from AMFA National or their lawyers. I have not heard of management at UAL holding meetings with the workforce, threatening to vote yes for the agreement like they did at AA and USair.

 

[seed]

Does it ,or better yet should it, matter to us who states what concerning concessions? Mr. Little could have stated anything, should not have mattered. Concessions do not solve any problems, they simply forego them until another time. I find it queer that management can give raises and bonus during furlough times, stating they must to retain the talent level. Was it not this same talent that took us down poverty lane? Who would want them?, I say fire them and hire competant people with the bonus or raise $$$.

People need to wake up, read the news. The trend is not a good one. End of story

 

[AMFAMAN]

People need to wake up, read the news. The trend is not a good one. End of story

[post="241757"][/post]​

Sadly,many AMT's don't read the news or even follow the industry. I can't tell you how many of them have no idea that USAir just gave up concessions. Most, simply believe or find it more easier to believe what the union says. So with that said, when union officials such as Little deceive the membership by stating the airline was going to liquidate if the concessions were not accepted, he is fully aware that only a certain percentage of the membership will question him and that the concession vote will fly. When leadership like this cannot be held accountable(and yes bad standing charges were filed but dropped by his pals at the Intl.) by an election, it is time to change the leadership even if it requires changing the union.