There may be hope for PHL air traffic!

[PHL]

The consolodation of Richmond, Andrews AFB, BWI, Dulles and Reagan National into one complete integrated ATC facility has provided efficiencies above and beyond what was initially predicted.

Now, the early stages of a redesign of the PHL/NY airspaces is under way. One alternative is to consolidate the two, which could provide similar benefits that WAS air traffic gained.

There are 4 total alternatives:

1.) Do nothing
2.) Route EWR traffic out over ocean before turning back to placate the noise concerns of the New Jersey Citizens Against Aircraft Noise (NJCAAN).
3.) Modification of Westbound routes to permit better flow of traffic in/out of PHL/NY airports.
4.) Consolidation of NY/PHL operations by maintaining seperate facilities or integrating into one.

At the outset, I would think that #1 and #2 are the least likely outcomes.

http://www.faa.gov/news/press_releases/eas...2005/122005.cfm

 

[rjh]

The consolodation of Richmond, Andrews AFB, BWI, Dulles and Reagan National into one complete integrated ATC facility has provided efficiencies above and beyond what was initially predicted.

Now, the early stages of a redesign of the PHL/NY airspaces is under way. One alternative is to consolidate the two, which could provide similar benefits that WAS air traffic gained.

There are 4 total alternatives:

1.) Do nothing
2.) Route EWR traffic out over ocean before turning back to placate the noise concerns of the New Jersey Citizens Against Aircraft Noise (NJCAAN).
3.) Modification of Westbound routes to permit better flow of traffic in/out of PHL/NY airports.
4.) Consolidation of NY/PHL operations by maintaining seperate facilities or integrating into one.

At the outset, I would think that #1 and #2 are the least likely outcomes.

http://www.faa.gov/news/press_releases/eas...2005/122005.cfm

I'll believe it when I see it. Just like domestic RVSM was supposed to reduce the amount of weather reroutes we get ..it was AWFUL this year.

 

[ClueByFour]

I'll believe it when I see it. Just like domestic RVSM was supposed to reduce the amount of weather reroutes we get ..it was AWFUL this year.

Bear in mind that RVSM, WX reroutes regardless, won't do anything to alleviate terminal area congestion. Maybe this will, but it still does not solve the fact that PHL is crunched between DC and NYC and has a crappy AAR anytime a drop of rain so much as presents itself between MDT and EWR.

 

[rjh]

Bear in mind that RVSM, WX reroutes regardless, won't do anything to alleviate terminal area congestion. Maybe this will, but it still does not solve the fact that PHL is crunched between DC and NYC and has a crappy AAR anytime a drop of rain so much as presents itself between MDT and EWR.

No, it doesn't relieve terminal congestion, but we still got some pretty outrageous reroutes this past summer. Granted, the thudnerstorm season was a bad one, but lots of these reroutes seemed pretty useless.

PHX doesn't get nearly the bad weather but when they do ..watch out! The "1-2-3 rule" for PHX: 1 cloud, 2 airplanes, 3 hour delay.

 

[john john]

Just wait when they outsource A.T.C. 4 more years??????

 

[PHL]

Flight Service Centers (FSS) have already been outsourced to Lockheed, and guess what - it's working REALLY well.

Many towers are already run by FAA contracted staff, and they to work fine.

So, tell me - how would contracting ATC services hurt us if they are required to meet specified metrics in terms of staffing, performance, etc.?

 

[Old PSA]

I was thinking, with the communications capibilities, the ATC can be outsourced anywhere in the world. So how about Manila?

 

[rjh]

Flight Service Centers (FSS) have already been outsourced to Lockheed, and guess what - it's working REALLY well.

Many towers are already run by FAA contracted staff, and they to work fine.

So, tell me - how would contracting ATC services hurt us if they are required to meet specified metrics in terms of staffing, performance, etc.?

I have no objection to ATC being privatized. The biggest argument against privatization is that it would decrease safety. I don't understand that argument, personally. I dont' believe for a second that something will be safer just because the government runs it.

 

[SpinDoc]

I have no objection to ATC being privatized. The biggest argument against privatization is that it would decrease safety. I don't understand that argument, personally. I dont' believe for a second that something will be safer just because the government runs it.

Yeah. Just look at the "trained shoe analysts"
(TSA) Is there any measurable difference with
government employees running our security
checkpoints? I would say the jury is still
out. The only advantage that exists with the
TSA versus private contractors, is that any
changes to the security directives can be
implemented quickly and consistently across
all airports, rather than relying on private
contractors to interpret the directives and
make the changes on their own time table.

 

[ClueByFour]

The only advantage that exists with the
TSA versus private contractors, is that any
changes to the security directives can be
implemented quickly and consistently across
all airports, rather than relying on private
contractors to interpret the directives and
make the changes on their own time table.

You must be joking: directives are not implemented quickly, and certainly not consistantly by the TSA: I've seen no less than 8 different variations on the SSI "shoe profile" in the last 2 months.

 

[rjh]

Yeah. Just look at the "trained shoe analysts"
(TSA) Is there any measurable difference with
government employees running our security
checkpoints? I would say the jury is still
out. The only advantage that exists with the
TSA versus private contractors, is that any
changes to the security directives can be
implemented quickly and consistently across
all airports, rather than relying on private
contractors to interpret the directives and
make the changes on their own time table.

The government/FAA/ATC has no clue what "customer service" means. Many reroutes are necessary, but some are not. They don't truly understand the impact it has to our passengers when we have to bump 30 people to go 1000 miles out of the way.