The List Grows Longer & Longer

[BoeingBoy]

Wachovia Bank asked the court for "adequate protection" on its investment in 31 planes used by US Airways, which has not been making aircraft payments since filing for Chapter 11 on Sept. 12.

From this article.

Here's the list of planes subject to such motions:

N102UW
N103UW
N104UW
N105UW
N106UW
N107US
N108US
N109UW
N110UW
N111US
N112US
N113UW
N114UW
N117UW
N118US
N119US
N121UW
N122US
N123UW
N124US
N161UW
N162UW
N163US
N164UW
N165US
N166US
N167US
N168US
N169UW
N170US
N171US
N172US
N173US
N174US
N175US
N176UW
N177US
N178US
N184US
N185UW
N186US
N187US
N188US
N334US
N335US
N350US
N352US
N353US
N354US
N355US
N356US
N404US
N405US
N406US
N409US
N417US
N418US
N419US
N420US
N421US
N422US
N423US
N424US
N425US
N426US
N436US
N437US
N504AU
N505AU
N506AU
N511AU
N512AU
N514AU
N515AU
N517AU
N518AU
N519AU
N520AU
N521AU
N522AU
N525AU
N526AU
N527AU
N528AU
N529AU
N530AU
N531AU
N532AU
N563AU
N573US
N575US
N577US
N584US
N588US
N589US
N590US
N591US
N592US
N600AU
N601AU
N602AU
N603AU
N604AU
N605AU
N606AU
N607AU
N608AU
N609AU
N610AU
N611AU
N612AU
N613AU
N614AU
N617AU
N619AU
N620AU
N621AU
N622AU
N623AU
N624AU
N645US
N646US
N651US
N652US
N670UW
N671UW
N672UW
N673UW
N674UW
N675US
N676UW
N677UW
N678US
N700UW
N701UW
N702UW
N703UW
N704UW
N705UW
N708UW
N709UW
N710UW
N711UW
N712US
N713UW
N714US
N715UW
N716UW
N717UW
N721UW
N722US
N723UW
N724UW
N725UW
N730US
N732US
N733UW
N737US
N738US
N740UW
N741UW
N742US
N744US
N745UW
N746UW
N747UW
N748UW
N749US
N750UW
N751UW
N752US
N753US
N754UW
N755US
N756US
N757UW
N758US
N760US
N762US
N763US
N764US
N765US
N766US
N767US
N768US
N769US
N770UW
N781US
N782US
N783AU
N784US
N785US

Jim

 

[USA320Pilot]

As I said before, when the RC4 did not permit the pilot’s to vote on the company’s September 6 proposal, the creditors became even more skittish and demanded the company eliminate the minimum fleet count to help protect their interests.

If the ALPA TA is rejected or even deeper cuts not imposed with the S.1113© process, US Airways could see the fleet dramatically reduce to about 150 mainline aircraft per the S.1110 process.

The only way to keep the fleet at 281 aircraft is for the ALPA TA to be ratified and new agreements obtained with the AFA, CWA, and IAM, either through consensual negotiation or “impositionâ€￾ again.

Respectfully,

USA320Pilot

 

[BoeingBoy]

"US Airways could see the fleet dramatically reduce to about 150 mainline aircraft per the S.1110 process."

I'll still be here, will you???

Jim

 

[mwereplanes]

I think he'll be gone.

At the very least he'll be a reserve copilot.

Any wonder why he's so scared?

mr

 

[Bear96]

 

[USA320Pilot]

Mwereplanes:

Good to see you back on the message board -- I missed you. By the way, I thought you said the pilot's would not get a vote? How could you be so wrong, again?

Tomorrow after the TA is formally ratified we can move forward with the new business plan and 281 aircraft fleet count. By the way, why do you refuse to identify your self? Are you concerned about an out of seniority furlough, which could be directed at you?

I find it interesting you can insult people on the message board but you lack courage to privately identify your self? How can that be?

By the way, how does it feel to see your RC4 and NC heroes agree to reduce your DC Plan from 50% on September 6 to 10% in the TA?

I thought you said the DC Plan would not be touched. What happened and how did the pilot DC plan get reduced even more from the September 6 company proposal, from 50% tom 10%? Is that not "big bucks" for you?

Separately, what's your opinion of the RC4 and the NC who obtained a TA with cuts greater than the company's "ask"?

In addition, would you care to comment on today's ALPA BOD action where the BOD passed one agenda item today that amended Article XIX in the ALPA Constitution and By-laws with respect to trusteeship. The resolution was passed due to concerns that the Board had about the Association’s exposure to detrimental consequences from MECs or LECs engaging in a substantial failure to perform significant legal or representational duties of a bargaining representative?

Thanks.

Respectfully,

USA320Pilot

 

[Phantom Fixer]

Mwereplanes:

Good to see you back on the message board -- I missed you. By the way, I thought you said the pilot's would not get a vote? How could you be so wrong, again?



USA320Pilot

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This is rich , USA320Pilot razzing someone about being wrong

Dude , you are wrong far more often than you are right...and we have the ICT's and UCT's to prove it.

Regardless of whom your informed sources are?...or whom you liken yourself to be? You are still a Pilot running in fear of being a Reserve FO ..or quite possibly a Nobody in your own eyes as well of the eyes of those whom already see you as such.

You are nothing more than a sock-puppet whom serves as a volunteer for masters whom scare the living crap out of you. The fact that you ever served as a commisioned officer in the military of the United States I find disturbing. :down:

 

[BostonTerrier]

Mwereplanes:

Good to see you back on the message board -- I missed you. By the way, I thought you said the pilot's would not get a vote? How could you be so wrong, again?


Respectfully,

USA320Pilot

[post="193100"][/post]​

Now, now, Captain. You yourself have what is arguably the worst track record for accurate predictions on this forum. 250% LGA growth, ICT/UCT, and on and on. And we all know that when you are finally correct you feel compelled to state "Who said it here first... ?" or something similar in nature. Whereas I respect your opinions and your right to proffer your unique assessment of current conditions, no need for you to criticize others' predictions.

And why in the world would anyone identify themselves, particularly given that internet postings are verboten per corporate policy?

Just something to ponder.

Best to all,

BT

 

[BoeingBoy]

By the way, how does it feel to see your RC4 and NC heroes agree to reduce your DC Plan from 50% on September 6 to 10% in the TA?

[post="193100"][/post]​

Funny you should mention that.....

Didn't you post this earlier today?

The RC4 blocked rank-and-file pilot vote on the company's September 6 proposal. Then the company's proposals only got worse and the pilot's lost the following contract items in the TA:

• better DC plan contributions

[post="193100"][/post]​

You really do need to keep better track of your "misinformation" - or tell Pollock to quit spreading bad info....

Jim

 

[USA320Pilot]

BoeingBoy & Phantom Fixer:

BoeingBoy, are you a little frustrated since you got hammered by losing the DB & now the DC Plan? You know what I meant and why spread misinformation? The September 6 proposal had a 50% DC Plan cut, which for a pilot is a “better DC plan contribution†and in the TA it’s 10%. Why? Because the RC4 directed NC negotiated a TA greater than the company’s “askâ€. It’s my understanding this has never been done before. Do you know if that is true?

BoeingBoy, did you miss ALPA communication committee chairman Jack Stephen's comment to the pilot group tonight that "be aware that there are still inaccurate statements circulating through the pilot group that suggest that ALPA would fare better in an 1113© hearing because the judge would be able to make modifications to the Company’s 1113© motion. To be clear, in the 1113(e) process, the judge did have the power to make modifications to the Company’s emergency interim proposal. But, unlike the 1113(e) process, the law does not provide the judge with the authority to make any modifications in the 1113© process involving long-term, permanent relief?"

Phantom Fixer, in regard to those who like to “shoot the messengerâ€, the UCT/ICT has not happened (yet) and it may never happen, but David Bronner spoke about acquiring United assets in the press four times in interviews. Things change, but that does not mean they were not actively discussed. By the way, who stood up in front of the ALPA MEC on March 2, 2001, during the LOA 79 debate, and told the MEC that there was going to be a bidding war between American and United Airlines to acquire US Airways? Furthermore, what happened 2.5 months later? Oh yea, I was right. How could that be? ESP?

Regards,

 

[BoeingBoy]

BoeingBoy, are you a little frustrated since you got hammered by losing the DB & now the DC Plan?

[post="193152"][/post]​

Probably not as much as you facing a 21% paycut and possible downgrade if this place shrinks.

You know what I meant and why spread misinformation?

[post="193152"][/post]​

Nope, I didn't know what you meant - only what you said. Maybe if you said what you meant.

[post="193152"][/post]​

[/quote]

The September 6 proposal had a 50% DC Plan cut, which for a pilot is a “better DC plan contributionâ€￾ and in the TA it’s 10%.

[post="193152"][/post]​

Exactly, and you posted something completely opposite earlier today - or should I say you cut and pasted something completely opposite earlier today. Care to divulge the source???

Why? Because the RC4 directed NC negotiated a TA greater than the company’s “askâ€￾. It’s my understanding this has never been done before. Do you know if that is true?

[post="193152"][/post]​

Don't know about that. All I know is that the company has said (in motions to the court - they would'nt lie to the judge would they?) that the "ask" was $300 million the first year and more in later years, both before and after the BK filing. You see, I try to find out the truth instead of going from the "talking points", no matter what.

How could that be? ESP?

[post="193152"][/post]​

I know that this was addressed to phantomfixer, but I couldn't resist a straight line like that. Just like a stopped clock is right twice a day....

Jim

 

[Phantom Fixer]

I know that this was addressed to phantomfixer, but I couldn't resist a straight line like that. Just like a stopped clock is right twice a day....

Jim

[post="193159"][/post]​

Jim,


You snatched the words right off of my keyboard old friend , allbeit that my playbook uses the phrase "Even a broken watch is right twice a day". ...and here I was'nt even going to waste my time responding to him. I guess technically I'm not so far?..but what the hay right?

USA320Pilot.....You are a legend in your own mind and a true goober in the eyes of the rest of the thinking world that happened to be blessed with a spine.

Any aquiring that will be done , will be done by others picking U's festering carcass.

BTW....The local CBS affiliate in CLT has made it public that Independence Air will possibly be filing Chapter 11 as early as January. Empty seats and High Fuel prices are eating an LCC's lunch too.

Looks like a failed plunge into the big leagues even with to poverty wages to ride on doesn't have much promise...Just how different will U be at the same rates?

 

[WestCoastGuy]

I think you're right, Phantom, with Independence Air ready to file BK, just shows even with ROCK BOTTOM PAY NOTHING WAGES, in the end, it dont matter.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Jim,

You snatched the words right off of my keyboard old friend

[post="193178"][/post]​

What else is it they say...."Great minds think alike" or something like that.

Jim

 

[USA320Pilot]

BoeingBoy, I'm considering bidding F/O on the A330. The pay difference would not be that much less than A320 Captain and the schedule would permit me to be home more. With my wife's position, this would permit me to have more time off and for our family to have more pay, which is important since I am retired from the military. Thanks for your concern, but I am not angry and frustrated. How about you, considering your age?

Pantom Fixer, Independence Air attempted to operate with an astronomical cost structure whereas US Airways' cost structure could drop below Southwest's, either with consensual or imposed contracts.

By the way, what's your opinion of ALPA communications committee chairman Jack Stephan's comment today that "there are still inaccurate statements circulating through the pilot group that suggest that ALPA would fare better in an 1113© hearing because the judge would be able to make modifications to the Company’s 1113© motion. To be clear, in the 1113(e) process, the judge did have the power to make modifications to the Company’s emergency interim proposal. But, unlike the 1113(e) process, the law does not provide the judge with the authority to make any modifications in the 1113© process involving long-term, permanent relief?"

Regards,

USA320Pilot