SWA Pilot viloates FAR"s

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Besides this guy being one major chump and various other personal issues, he has posted several photos that are a violation of the sterile cockpit rule. The photo of Annapolis is a glaring example. I wonder what the FAA would have to say about these? Why was the Captain allowing him to take pics below 10K and on the taxiway?

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/trip_...ead.main/64156/
 
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Sorry CH12. But as Steven Colbert would say: "Get a bucket. I am about to truth"

Perhaps you can find the "individual" in this post and tell him he is putting everyone at the mercy of the FED's by posting this BS.
 
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Sorry CH12. But as Steven Colbert would say: "Get a bucket. I am about to truth"

Perhaps you can find the "individual" in this post and tell him he is putting everyone at the mercy of the FED's by posting this BS.
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Well it must not have been posted long b/c it seemed to have been missing the Annapolis photo when I followed your link this AM.
 
I'll agree that posting that on a public forum wasn't the brightest thing (and it was missing this am when I looked too). But we all know that no other pilot, or at least no other non-WN pilot ever violated the sterile cockpit rule (or any other FAR for that matter) don't we?

(Wink, wink) :lol:

Jim
 
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Ch. 12 said:
Well it must not have been posted long b/c it seemed to have been missing the Annapolis photo when I followed your link this AM.
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I wish I could take credit for finding this POS. However, it was posted on our ALPA board and has generated quite a bit of hilarious chat. The dyed hair and various other non-hetero references have been flying high. Not that there is anything wrooooong with that :).

This tends to solidify the case that SOP's and FAR's are non players in the lives of the SWA pilots.
 
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I wish I could take credit for finding this POS. However, it was posted on our ALPA board and has generated quite a bit of hilarious chat. The dyed hair and various other non-hetero references have been flying high. Not that there is anything wrooooong with that :).

This tends to solidify the case that SOP's and FAR's are non players in the lives of the SWA pilots.
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Yep....I always said that one pilot is the way to judge an entire group. Doesn't say much for UAL pilots, does it now, mags. BTW...how come you never cite Hoot Gibson and his "lack of SOP and FAR adherence"...He flies for Southwest.
 
Interesting how Magasu takes such glee in demeaning other pilots. He's learned so much from Busdriver. Such class acts.

Let's see how UAL's emergence from Ch 33 goes. Hope they're holding their collective breaths.
 
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Interesting how Magasu takes such glee in demeaning other pilots. He's learned so much from Busdriver. Such class acts.

Let's see how UAL's emergence from Ch 33 goes. Hope they're holding their collective breaths.
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Easy Trigger. We pilots make enough mistakes on our own. We don't need idiots blatantly proclaiming an arrogant disregard for the FAR's. And how many times must I repeat this, I have the utmost respect for the SWA pilot group. With the notable exception of Rhino and his lover (this airliners.net clown), I think they are a very professional group. I have a problem with cultures that say breaking the rules is OK and actually encourage it.

FWIW, UAL recently had a complete idiot pilot blatently post pictures on the web of operations during sterile cockpit periods. UAL fired her arse. Again, we make enough mistakes, we don't need pilots at any airline who are willing to blatantly and intentionally break the FARs. What would finally be enough for the apologists to say "he is wrong and should be punished at a minimum, if not fired" 20 knots fast at 500ft? 40 knots fast at 500ft? A picture of the hud at 500ft and 40 knots fast? When pilots take it upon themselves to decide what rules they personally need to follow and which ones they don't, we've got BIG problems. I don't think this kind of thing is prevelent at SWA, This punk was probably an aborition (as is his hair).
 
I had a chance to see the photos before they were removed. Very embarassing for any professional group as I believe most pilots are. The AMA would not support a doctor who would post such self-loving material. His peers would laugh him (her?) out of the hospital.
 
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Considering the entire post has been removed, what makes you think that guy's job with SWA is secure?
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They are probably using that giant broom that they use to shuffle things under the rug. Perhaps the FED's have found him and those people he took down with him.
 
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They are probably using that giant broom that they use to shuffle things under the rug. Perhaps the FED's have found him and those people he took down with him.
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Another ASSumption from our resident ASSumer.
 
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This tends to solidify the case that SOP's and FAR's are non players in the lives of the SWA pilots.
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Give me a break, Magsau. Your failure to recognize that a few people are capable of establishing a bad reputation for a much larger population astounds me. If you can prove that even a small percentage of SWA pilots continuously live outside the rules of the SOPs and FARs I'll be extremely surprised. I know that in my 29 years of flying, try as I may, I have never achieved the ultimate goal of a 100% perfect flight. I've come close a few times but blew it by waking up from the dream!
 
While I didn't see the offending photo before it was removed, the whole concept of the "sterile cockpit" would make for an interesting discussion....

For any unaware civilians, the phrase "sterile cockpit" won't be found in any FAR. What it refers to is FAR 121.542, and there's also an identical section in FAR 135.

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§ 121.542 Flight crewmember duties.

( a ) No certificate holder shall require, nor may any flight crewmember perform, any duties during a critical phase of flight except those duties required for the safe operation of the aircraft. Duties such as company required calls made for such nonsafety related purposes as ordering galley supplies and confirming passenger connections, announcements made to passengers promoting the air carrier or pointing out sights of interest, and filling out company payroll and related records are not required for the safe operation of the aircraft.

( b ) No flight crewmember may engage in, nor may any pilot in command permit, any activity during a critical phase of flight which could distract any flight crewmember from the performance of his or her duties or which could interfere in any way with the proper conduct of those duties. Activities such as eating meals, engaging in nonessential conversations within the cockpit and nonessential communications between the cabin and cockpit crews, and reading publications not related to the proper conduct of the flight are not required for the safe operation of the aircraft.

( c ) For the purposes of this section, critical phases of flight includes all ground operations involving taxi, takeoff and landing, and all other flight operations conducted below 10,000 feet, except cruise flight.

Note: Taxi is defined as “movement of an airplane under its own power on the surface of an airport.â€￾

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For all the experts out there, when precisely is the "sterile cockpit" in effect? Non-experts and laypeople can feel free to opine also.

Jim
 
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