Should Us Dump The Ua Code Share?

[USA320Pilot]

According to a recent Aviation Week & Space Technology editorial, United Airlines is back on a glidepath to oblivion.

If true than I believe it would be in US Airways' best interests to terminate its domestic code share relationship with United and move on to another carrier like Northwest or American.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[EyeInTheSky]

According to a recent Aviation Week & Space Technology editorial, United Airlines is back on a glidepath to oblivion.

If true than I believe it would be in US Airways' best interests to terminate its domestic code share relationship with United and move on to another carrier like Northwest or American.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

Yes. And, the Star Alliance. We were better off with "Something Special In The Air." USA320Pilot, see my reply to you in the "meeting" topic.

 

[Frontier69]

Just remember that Bronner has got deep pockets. If he can get UA for a song and a dance, he just may jump at the chance. Now he can make a mega-powerhose with tools to set up competition with the likes of WN,FL,B6 and others and have good strength in trans pac, trans atl, and carib markets. Stay tuned..it's gonna get interesting!

 

[ual777fan]

United's employee unions would most likely declare open warfare on management if a Bronner takeover of United was in the works. They have seen what has happened to USAir and they don't want that to happen to United.

 

[ual777fan]

I still am not getting the logic between an American and USAir parternship. Does one alliance really need 5 hubs on the east coast? I think that MIA, Charlotte, PHL, PIT, and JFK would all have just a little two much overlap

 

[Walmartgreeter]

United's employee unions would most likely declare open warfare on management if a Bronner takeover of United was in the works. They have seen what has happened to USAir and they don't want that to happen to United.

Open warfare against what....themselves? The U employees are in the same situation. They cannot burn down their own house just to get rid of an intruder. I would be tempted to say I hope the UAL employees can learn from what has happend at U, but I really don't think there is much to "learn." These are terrible times and U, followed by UAL are first in line for the spanking just about everyone at a legacy carrier is eventually going to get. Good luck.

 

[ClueByFour]

According to a recent Aviation Week & Space Technology editorial, United Airlines is back on a glidepath to oblivion.

If true than I believe it would be in US Airways' best interests to terminate its domestic code share relationship with United and move on to another carrier like Northwest or American.

Since I'm not one to take editorials as fact when it is convenient to my crusades, I disagree.

In fact, I can all but guarantee that neither Northwest nor AA is going to codeshare with U. Why?

Northwest--already has a far superior lashup with CO and DL (DL takes care of the east coast quite nicely). Unlike US, these carriers are not teetering on the brink with their Chairman threatening to sell core assets. In fact, selling PSA and MAA would ensure that nobody else with codeshare with U domestically (as these are the assets that other folks really want to codeshare on).

AA--not a chance. I don't know what the APA contract says on the subject, but all the unions on the property will fight tooth and nail over further codesharing. Besides which, U's route network offers very little that AA cannot get itself if it really had any desire (note AA's increase in service to both PIT and CLT from MIA in the last year, for instance).

Neither of these really matter--if U wants to become/remain a member of Star, it clearly rules out any involvement with either mentioned carrier.

Further, and this is a fact that some people really don't want to admit: either one of these carriers can simply wait for U to fold, get the assets they really want for the same amount of money they would have spent on the integration issues for a codeshare. Without any pesky union issues. Northwest will grab PHL for the international stuff, American will put their own metal onto the shuttle routes/slots.

 

[Bear96]

According to a recent Aviation Week & Space Technology editorial, United Airlines is back on a glidepath to oblivion.

If true than I believe it would be in US Airways' best interests to terminate its domestic code share relationship with United and move on to another carrier like Northwest or American.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

Oh c'mon, USAir320pilot, you can do better than that...

Usually your wind-ups are a little more subtle (though not much).

You must be losing your edge.

 

[USA320Pilot]

Bear96:

It's not about losing an edge or a wind up, it's about a business decision. I now believe it would have been better for US Airways to have Northwest as a partner and with all due repsect, I do not want to have a relationship with United.

The Chicago-based company is probably going to lose more money for the quarter than any other network carrier, even after making deep cuts. Now what?

Like you I want my company to survive and propser, therefore, why would it not be better for US Airways to be with a stronger partner?

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[avek00]

Bear96:

It's not about losing an edge or a wind up, it's about a business decision. I now believe it would have been better for US Airways to have Northwest as a partner and with all due repsect, I do not want to have a relationship with United.

The Chicago-based company is probably going to lose more money for the quarter than any other network carrier, even after making deep cuts. Now what?

Like you I want my company to survive and propser, therefore, why would it not be better for US Airways to be with a stronger partner?

Regards,

USA320Pilot

As much as UA's eventual kicking of the bucket will help to spur a genuine U.S. airline recovery, I still think that they were the much better partner choice for US Airways.

IMHO, a US hookup with NW/CO would have definitively sealed the fate of the airline, and not in a positive way. US would have been in the same situation as the PanAm of 1991, selling its most valuable assets while depending on the charity of partners to survive. Once NW/CO had obtained whatever they wanted out of US, the checks would stop coming, and the airline would be no more. Besides, a US linkup with NW/CO would have too much overlap, with fights over NE-Midwest traffic flows, North-South East Coast traffic flows, and EWR/PHL TATL traffic flows, among other things.

 

[Bear96]

1. It's not about losing an edge or a wind up, it's about a business decision.

2. Like you I want my company to survive and propser, therefore, why would it not be better for US Airways to be with a stronger partner?

1. Please. You, starting this thread, is a wind-up.

2. Actually my future is not tied to UA anymore, so it doesn't really matter to me what happens to them. But, I do agree with you: UA employees should be pushing for a break-up of the U code share and should hope U never becomes part of the Star Alliance. What with the extremely precarious position U is now in and with many industry observers now predicting U will not be around for more than a few more months, when would now be a good time for UA to find a healthier business partner.

 

[USA320Pilot]

Bear96:

Bear96 said: "What with the extremely precarious position U is now in and with many industry observers now predicting U will not be around for more than a few more months, when would now be a good time for UA to find a healthier business partner."

USA320Pilot: Bear, it probably doesn't matter since United may not get the loan guarantee and emerge from Chapter 11. By the way, I'm flattered that you use my writing style. Thanks for the compliment.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[usfliboi]

Usa 320 , Help me here. We cant drop and form relationships this large on a whim or when partners are down can we, should we? What stops ual from doing the same to us or for that matter makes us viable to be a partner for anyone. Please explain this one...

 

[delldude]

Bear96:

Bear96 said: "What with the extremely precarious position U is now in and with many industry observers now predicting U will not be around for more than a few more months, when would now be a good time for UA to find a healthier business partner."

USA320Pilot: Bear, it probably doesn't matter since United may not get the loan guarantee and emerge from Chapter 11. By the way, I'm flattered that you use my writing style. Thanks for the compliment.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

funny thing there usa320pilot..if U comes out on top....becomes the surviving successor in a merge and IAM wins the outsource arbitration....i believe they go by the guy on tops contracts as far as labor goes...guess U will be doing a lot of in house work over at its new partner UAL...

 

[whlinder]

Oh yeah, US should definitely dump UA... I mean before they started talking codeshare with UA they had the best set of airline partners and codeshares in the industry... those partners were printing money for US day and night...


Man, NW's partners sure are terrible, I can't believe they don't drop them in favor of US. Seriously, their partners have such limited coverage of the world, and they would definitely benefit by dumping those partners in favor of an airline like US that flies to Hagerstown and Reading and Latrobe. NW shouldn't want partners that fly to Sao Paolo, what good is that?

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What good does it do NW to align with US? They have CO and DL. Sure, US had discussions with NW about alliances, but that was back before DL. Now you have NW/CO/DL and their international partners AF/KL/AZ all coming together... where does US fit in? What exactly would US bring to NW that CO/DL do not? Nada.

If US could find a way to get in with AA/BA and OneWorld it might work, but US has been down that road before. OneWorld has its own problems since BA/AA can't codeshare to/from LHR. As a result, I truly UA and the Star Alliance are the best fit for US Airways right now. Star needed more of an East Coast presence; US fills that perfectly. US needed any kind of alliance to give them more of a global reach- UA and Star fit that as well. US Airways is not in a position where it can be picky about its alliance partners. How much $$ has US already invested in the UA codeshare and Star? How does it make any sense at all to piss all that away and spend more $$ to integrate with someone else? Star is the oldest and most integrated alliance in the world today; US should be thankful that they were selected for it and market the heck out of their inclusion in the "Chapter 33" alliance.