SCOPE

[UPNAWAY]

Not talking current contracts, thinking best case.
Would US ALPA allow all (express) flying in house with different pay scales based on number of seats on AC?

I would think for both the Union and Company it makes sense to have all employees in house. Economies of scale, uniform procedures, job expectations, etc.
Could an airline get the union to agree to all AC B19, -8, CRJ, EMB, 737, A320, 757, 767 A340, A350, flying in house?
What is the purpose/benefit of SCOPE? Seems to be one of those "sound good" things that make things worse? The reason I ask is could US not renew the express contracts and bring everything in house eventualy? One big happy famliy? Maybe even rolling the "owned Express" into mainline? I assume they are "owned" becuase it is cheaper than what then/current union contracts would allow?

 

[FlyOnWall]

I cant see why any union member could disagree with that concept. Best case for everyone in the long run. The company would hate it because they cant pit everyone against each other.

USAirways+Piedmont+PSA+America West+Air Wisconsin+ some Dash 8Q400 orders should take care of it... plenty of planes, jobs for all, one team, LCC!

 

[BoeingBoy]

Not talking current contracts, thinking best case. Would US ALPA allow all (express) flying in house with different pay scales based on number of seats on AC?

Other than the temporary restrictions on shifting planes between East & West, which will disappear with full integration, the current mainline contract allows that. It merely gives the company the right to outsource a specified amount of Express flying, it doesn't mandate that they must outsource flying.

To go even further, nothing in the current mainline contract prevents having all flying done by pilots on a single seniority list (other than the temporary transition issues of the merger).

Having multiple Express carriers, with most of the flying outsourced to Mesa, Republic, etc, is a management desire - not a contractual scope requirement.

Jim

 

[FlyOnWall]

The time is now while negotiating merged contracts. More and more flying has been lost and will continue to be. Scope clase should be the number one concern going forward.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Fly,

I don't want to rain on your parade, but don't get your hopes up.....

First, management in general and Glass in particular don't seem to have the fear of saying "No" in negotiations.

Second, I'm already hearing rumblings about pilots upset because the furloughed pilots will get to go out west as "new hires" while these more senior folks can't until the full integration. They'll accept almost anything as long as it allows them to transfer out west sooner and doesn't affect them too much.

Third, there are (unfortunately) enough pilots that couldn't care less about these issues to insure that no effort is expended in this area.

Sad isn't it.....

Jim

 

[BoeingBoy]

Absolutely right< Piney, though I wonder how much the fee for departure guaranteed profit alters that picture.

Interestingly, the pay scales at the RJ operators aren't very different from that of the F28, at least on the Captain side.

Jim

 

[autofixer]

Piney, We have no pension...