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whatkindoffreshhell

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Tell me this hasn't been considered in the hallways of Plano & Elk Grove??

Surely the merged AA/UA could be a formidable competitor as our national champion and the cost savings from elimination of duplicate functions could go a long way to matching the LCC CASM benchmark!

It ain't such a wild idea folks (well, maybe the idea of dusting off Bobby Crandall to knock together the necessary heads during the assimiliation process) but hey, this new airline would really be something to get excited about!

Go ahead, tell me why it couldn't work. And no union excuses either.

I'm telling you it will work!
 
whatkindoffreshhell said:
Tell me this hasn't been considered in the hallways of Plano & Elk Grove??

I'm telling you it will work!
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Plano? :unsure: Are you looking at a Perot Systems and United Airlines merger??
Last time I checked, AA was based in Fort Worth :)
 
You've got to be kidding me. The govt wouldn't let the UA/US merger go thru what makes you think that this would fly?

Just dreaming I guess.
 
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See, immediately we got neigh-sayers! Who cares where in Texas and UA/US was pre 911, nobody was in BK and how much were gas prices and airfares back then?
 
Both airlines would have to give up way too much, Landing slots, etc, besides all the LL'c would be crying NO FAIR, they have an advantage, plus the Justice Dept. would be investigating trying to see if this would become a monopoly, employees would be fighting over who gets their seniority / AA/TW/ is a good example, the list goes on and on, but thats just my 2 cents worth.
 
UAL would have to liquidate ORD, SA and LHR, at least. Then there are the international alliance complications..... oneworld or star?
 
I don't think this would stand a chance, even in bankruptcy court. It's a non-starter.
 
NO! NO! NO! NO MORE MERGERS AND AIRLINE BUYS FOR AA I HOPE AND PRAY!
If the last one did not leave a sour taste in everybody that was involved mouths, I don't know what will. Let nature takes its course..if UA is not strong enough to survive on its own, then it should go away(AA too).


(Although all that cash on hand according to the last earnings release makes one wonder.)
 
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Oneworld or Star is a non-issue.

Landing slots? Yeah, they are so valuable! This behavior is known as 'holding onto the past rather than confronting the future' and the only really important landing slots (for this discussion anyway) are LHR.

Ya think everyone would've learned something from the AA/TW merger and could apply those lessons here? Or do the unions just wanna keep stick with the same old tired formulas?

In the unionized trucking business mergers between carriers are reasonable because of foresight. Are you trying to tell me that those dirty truckers are more refined than all of you high-falutin' airline folks?

Why does anyone have to 'give up' ORD or SFO? The legacy airline employees are fond of proclaiming that they will return to crush the LCCs -- here' your chance!

I can't believe that big brave fearsome AA & UA people actually are worried about the LCCs crying and some DOJ investigation! Guys, we're talking about your survival here and now you're worried about somebody's feelings getting bruised??

Shoot, this might even generate enough new business that you could put Busdrver back to work and maybe even find a spot for other laid off pilots. You know, unique corporate transaction kinda stuff!
 
I have a number of thoughts on this.

First, the government won't allow it to happen. No mergers among the top three carriers, period. And, even if they did, they would require divestiture of enough of the business to render moot the point of the merger.

Second, even if the government allowed for a straight merger between the two carriers, they surely would have to permit a merger among DL/NW/CO. What possible excuse would they have not to at that point?

Third, such a merger would still do little more than prolong the inevitable. Yes, it will take longer for the LCCs to take over the industry, but it certainly wouldn't kill them. WN would still have lower CASM than Unitecan and Northweltinental, so WN would still win in every market in which they compete.

Fourth, where do you get off suggesting that your job is so important that it's worth taking away consumer choice, making them pay more just so you can keep your job? How incredibly arrogant and self-centered! :angry:
 
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Fourth, where do you get off suggesting that your job is so important that it's worth taking away consumer choice, making them pay more just so you can keep your job? How incredibly arrogant and self-centered! :angry:
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Ummm, you don't know my job and I thank you in advance for your apology.

You probably thought Boeing & McDonnell Douglas getting together was impossible too. Or Greyhound and Trailways. Or Macy's & Bloomingdales.

Shall I continue? How 'bout some reasons why this combo would be outstanding?

Jake Brace would be gone, ORD would open up, pensions could remain intact....
 
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Ummm, you don't know my job and I thank you in advance for your apology.
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No, I don't, and I probably would have happily issued an apology were it not for that sentence.

You probably thought Boeing & McDonnell Douglas getting together was impossible too. Or Greyhound and Trailways. Or Macy's & Bloomingdales.
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I would have found a Boeing/MacDAC merger improbable in 1975, but not in 1995. I would have found a Greyhound/Trailways merger improbable in 1955, not in 1985. And I don't think I ever would have found anything to stop a Macy's/Bloomies merger.

Shall I continue? How 'bout some reasons why this combo would be outstanding?
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Not to put too fine a point on it, but that list would be very short.

pensions could remain intact....
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For a little while longer.
 
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