Nwa Legal Threatens Amfa Local 33

[Decision 2004]

NWA Fears "Informational Picketing"

 

[Radman]

Here is just a thought, but what if people from other AMFA represented (or other) airlines walked the picket?

 

[Decision 2004]

Here is just a thought, but what if people from other AMFA represented (or other) airlines walked the picket?

I will use my vacation to support this issue.

Anyone else want to offer and join me?

 

[Bob Owens]

Imagine that, two non-AFL-CIO unions working together!

So I guess at least one other union will stand with AMFA. I guess they are no longer a "Stand Alone" union.

When our Flight attendants were picketing and we decided to join and suport their pickets Jim Little said "Its not our fight". When the President hit NWA mechanics with a PEB, again, "Not our fight". It was brought up that both of these unions were not AFL-CIO. When AFL-CIO IAM members were hit with a PEB, the TWU did nothing, still not our fight. When UAL workers were being threatened with abrogation of their contract I posted a letter saying that the AFL-CIO should state that when the first contract is abrogated we will ALL walk off the job. Jim Little demanded that I put out a retraction.

Jim Little would frequently bash the AFL-CIO for doing nothing but it was him that was afraid to do anything. When I contacted the AFL-CIO they would say sure, but your union has to bring it forward. Its not the policy of the AFL-CIO to tell member unions what to do. Could it have something to do with the $3.1 million in financial aid that the company gives the TWU?

 

[Radman]

I will use my vacation to support this issue.

Anyone else want to offer and join me?

I will be there if all possible!!!!!! Check your messages.

 

[twuer]

Looks like Delle is leading his members to slaughter once again. Of course it's easy for you guys to join in, it's not your butts on the line now is it??? There is a big difference between being an "activist" and being a "radical activist"!!!

I can hear it now. . .IT WASN'T OUR FAULT YOU WERE "DISCHARGED"!!
IT'S THE COMPANY'S FAULT!!!!

More NWA layoffs to come. . . . .

 

[Decision 2004]

Looks like Delle is leading his members to slaughter once again. Of course it's easy for you guys to join in, it's not your butts on the line now is it??? There is a big difference between being an "activist" and being a "radical activist"!!!

I can hear it now. . .IT WASN'T OUR FAULT YOU WERE "DISCHARGED"!!
IT'S THE COMPANY'S FAULT!!!!

More NWA layoffs to come. . . . .

There is also a huge difference between docile and afraid of every threat the company spews and fighting for a legitimate cause.

I didn't really expect any other response from the TWU advocates. YOu guys are not capable of anything more that threats and blame. That same form of unionism is why Reagan got away with firing the Air Traffic Controllers.

At what point do you cowards rid yourselves of the fear and actually put your so-called "strength in numbers" to work for the profession?

Truth is, every mechanic in the industry should now go to the picket regardless of what airline employees you.

The company claims they will discipline NWA Mechanics, but what about those of us that work for other carriers? Are you starting to get the picture regarding the value of ALL MECHANICS in ONE UNION yet?

AMFA supporters now extend their hand to Jim Little, the AFL-CIO, and the sheep of Tulsa. Come to the scheduled picket and turn this event and Corporate Legal threat into a huge AMT rally against foreign maintenance practices by ALL CARRIERS.

 

[Bob Owens]

Looks like Delle is leading his members to slaughter once again. Of course it's easy for you guys to join in, it's not your butts on the line now is it??? There is a big difference between being an "activist" and being a "radical activist"!!!

I can hear it now. . .IT WASN'T OUR FAULT YOU WERE "DISCHARGED"!!
IT'S THE COMPANY'S FAULT!!!!

More NWA layoffs to come. . . . .

TWUER gets scared just hearing about a fight. Thats the kind of leader you get with the TWU.

You will talk about outsourcing but you will never do anything that might upset the company, after all they may cut off the financial aid they give to the TWU.

 

[Decision 2004]

TWUER gets scared just hearing about a fight. Thats the kind of leader you get with the TWU.

You will talk about outsourcing but you will never do anything that might upset the company, after all they may cut off the financial aid they give to the TWU.

Truth be known, he is a candidate for Local 514 Union Office. And probably favored to win at that.

 

[Checking it Out]

Looks to me like Amfa needs to read their agreement with NW and use their political pressure on NWA.

Is this a little to late? With both Amfa and Pfaa supporting McCormick group I'm sure he has sufficient money to send you up there Decission.

Outsourcing is a major issue and concerns everyone, I think Amfa needed to get involved several years ago. A smarter approach might be to use the other airlines they represent that are currently in negotiations to make the public aware of the increase in outsourcing of Maintenance work.

 

[Bob Owens]

A smarter approach might be to use the other airlines they represent that are currently in negotiations to make the public aware of the increase in outsourcing of Maintenance work.

And what is the purpose of a picket?

By the way, when is the AFL-CIO coordinated effort to make the public aware of outsourcing going to start? Lets see they have been collecting millions of dollars in dues from mechanics for what, 60 years now?

Amfa only became a viable union in 1999 with NWA. So they have only started recieving funding of consequence for at most five years. Of course AMFA had to also deal with all the start up costs that the older unions had paid off a long time ago. Despite this we have seen that AMFA is already stepping into the Political arena, promoting mechanics interests and putting pressure on the older unions to do likewise. AMFA is not simply relying on lobbying but is also bringing members into the process by doing informational picketing.

While unions like the TWU sit back and whine about the members not participating, without telling them what they want them to participate in, AMFA is taking action.

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

cio,

"Outsourcing is a major issue and concerns everyone, I think Amfa needed to get involved several years ago. A smarter approach might be to use the other airlines they represent that are currently in negotiations to make the public aware of the increase in outsourcing of Maintenance work."

When should have AMFA gotten involved in outsourcing issues? When the afl-cio industrial unions like the iam and ibt and twu allowed it to start in the first place?

Where is the twu helping thier sister union, the iam, at USAir fight against another round of concessions and farming out work not allowed under thier current contract?

It seems as if the afl-cio politically powerful unions like the iam, ibt & twu had fought against outsourcing AMFA would not be needed to clean up the afl-cio's ineptness at protecting our craft and profession.

 

[Checking it Out]

Ken Get Informed, You will see the real truth. The AFL-CIO is in the for front. amfa is lagging. Who has bee successful at retaining full overhaul capabilities?

 

[Decision 2004]

While unions like the TWU sit back and whine about the members not participating, without telling them what they want them to participate in, AMFA is taking action.

The TWU wants you to participate as told, and when told.

Or else you will be removed from Office.

Good point Bob, but they want us to participate in the destruction of our profession via a Constitution that a Federal Judge has ruled you do not have a legal requirement to a vote on changes or amendments to your Labor Agreement.

The TWU, Jim Little, CIO, and twuer, want to extend their hand to those of you at the line stations. Before, the line mechanic could blame Tulsa for NOT signing enough cards to get a representational election, and now the TWU, Jim Little, and Art Luby can be blamed.

CIO, has asked many times what the TWU did to prevent the vote. I'll tell you, it was the TWU that submitted the Title 3 worker to prevent the vote. It was NOT required by law for them to submit that list and protest them. This was BY CHOICE. AA did not include them, the TWU DID!

FACT - A very Solid Majority of Title 1/Title 2 expressed a desire for a vote and the TWU deprived us of this vote by submitting Title 3 employees. Had the TWU not submitted these individuals, we would be voting. Instead, the TWU submits Title 3. They actually risk dues payers to stop the vote. Because we will either vote now and take those dues payers from the TWU, or we will resign the cards, including theirs and take the dues payers to AMFA.

Funny thing, I believe when we were negotiating, the TWU considered these employees with the "Joint Negotiations", not the M&R Group. And now, to prevent a vote, they are included with M&R.

Jim Little and the TWU and not credible, Jim Little has lied to the membership many times.

WE still stand a very good chance of winning on appeal, and we will gladly take the positions they have submitted and make them mechanic and related jobs. We will face serious seniority issues when we do, but thanks to the TWU, in the end, AMFA will grow even bigger than first thought by winning at AA.

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

Ken Get Informed, You will see the real truth. The AFL-CIO is in the for front. amfa is lagging. Who has bee successful at retaining full overhaul capabilities?

Getting informed is something I do before I post or speak about with facts.

The REAL truth, and you and the rest of the twu supporters, except twuer who in a recent post admitted, fail to realize is that it was the afl-cio connected unions like the ibt, iam that FIRST ALLOWED the outsourcing of maintenance overseas and domestically. The twu just outsources "in-house".

The REAL truth is that AMFA has sponsored TWO rallys AGAINST FAR Part 145. I know, I have been to both. Where are the afl-cio's rallys against FAR Part 145? Why must you attempt to blame AMFA for industrial union ineptness to protect our profession?
Are you saying that the iam, ibt and twu have FULL overhaul capabilities? Think twice before you post there cio. Last I knew AA did not overhaul our APUs.

I am informed cio. I know that the twu's cry for fighting to get back what the twu gave away with NO SNAP BACKS is just years of smoke and mirror rhetoric. AFTER the twu international positions are voted on by the full membership then I will know that the twu MIGHT change. Until then it is just more of the same from an industrial union TRYING to pretend they represent our craft and class.