http://www.cnn.com/2010/TRAVEL/02/26/jfk.runway.closing/
Article says about 90 daily departures now and about 100 after the runway project is complete in about four months.
New AA summer flights from JFK delayed until July
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http://www.cnn.com/2010/TRAVEL/02/26/jfk.runway.closing/
Article says about 90 daily departures now and about 100 after the runway project is complete in about four months.
Madrid, Manchester and San Jose Costa Rica.......are starting way before
July 1st......I read the article and was somewhat confuse but this 3 route
will beging before July 1st
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Both. The new Europe markets start up on various dates prior to 6/1, but seasonal changes of service to the islands which used to occur with the mid-May/early-June schedule change won't start up until July 1 (e.g. JFK-AUA and JFK-MBJ). Eagle is also adding JFK-STL on 7/1.
http://www.aa.com/i18n/aboutUs/newServiceR...chorEvent=false
http://www.aa.com/i18n/aboutUs/newServiceR...chorEvent=false
AA will be hurt far less than DL with this R/W closure. While DL can brag about MORE flights out of Kennedy, they can have the title of the MOST flights ..D E L A Y E D..out of JFK. Maybe they'll cancel their trip from JFK to Vladivostok or some of those other weird eastern Europe destinations that they have(for bragging rights).
(just kidding about Vladivostok. Don't even know if in fact they do fly there, but I'm sure you catch my drift).
(just kidding about Vladivostok. Don't even know if in fact they do fly there, but I'm sure you catch my drift).
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I really don't think AA will be as affected compared to JetBlue and Delta.
AA has been ceding routes left and right out of JFK. Well seasoned travelers, especially those travelling on business, will be fully aware of the JFK R/W situation and will not hold any carrier they fly accountable.
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Care to elaborate on that?
AA had 70 flights a day between mainline and Eagle when I worked at JFK in 1991, and they have about 90 flights a day today.
The number of transcons looks to be about the same, the number of flights to the Caribbean looks about the same, the number of flights to Europe is about the same.
What exactly is AA ceding to Delta or Jetblue? Just because Brand X is in a particular market or flying a bigger aircraft doesn't mean that it's worth trying to match on a 1:1 basis...
Also.... did AA ever sign a lease on the hangar? Seems to me that if the old cargo building is going to be vacant, and AA is not committing to the hangar, that's a valuable parcel of real estate right on the Airtrain easement capable of becoming a satellite terminal facility...
AA had 70 flights a day between mainline and Eagle when I worked at JFK in 1991, and they have about 90 flights a day today.
The number of transcons looks to be about the same, the number of flights to the Caribbean looks about the same, the number of flights to Europe is about the same.
What exactly is AA ceding to Delta or Jetblue? Just because Brand X is in a particular market or flying a bigger aircraft doesn't mean that it's worth trying to match on a 1:1 basis...
Also.... did AA ever sign a lease on the hangar? Seems to me that if the old cargo building is going to be vacant, and AA is not committing to the hangar, that's a valuable parcel of real estate right on the Airtrain easement capable of becoming a satellite terminal facility...
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It's probably the schedule from the summer of 2001 that Hopeful remembers:
http://www.departedflights.com/AA070201p76.html
Evening Mainline flights to BDL and BOS and dozens of former Business Express SAABs to ALB, BOS, BUF, BWI, PIT, PVD, ROC, SYR and some other spots on the northeast route map. More frequencies to SJC and SJU. Plus all the LLC flying that hadn't yet been pulled down.
I didn't count them, but probably 200 flights between mainline, LLC and Eagle. T8 and T9 were bursting at the seams that summer as construction had already begun on the new T8. AA mainline hasn't changed all that much, but there were more flights.
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How long ago was it that you could fly to just about any major Caribbean destination non stop from JFK? How many non stops to SJU? SDQ?
70 flights a day compared to how many at Jetblue? Delta?
Thanks to FWAAA's posting, which says alot more than my post. But overall I can tell you that working at JFK most of my working life, we went to more places at one time.
Also, the point I was making was that Jetblue and Delta are busier and bigger at JFK than AA.
And AA did cede flights that JetBlue picked up and have expanded on. Delta already served some of those markets.
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Even comparing to the 2001, there were only about 70-75 mainline flights for AA.
I remember doing a profitability analysis when AA was trying to match Jetblue flight for flight back in 2003, entering markets like JFK-LGB/OAK and ORD-LGB.
Between price matching and downright crappy load factors, it would have been cheaper to cancel all of the flights in those three markets, refund the tickets *and* reroute the customers via DFW, and pay out guarantees to the crew members...
So, yes, AA did give up a few markets where they couldn't afford to continue trying to compete on a cost basis with Jetblue. DL hasn't learned that lesson yet, and is still hoping to win a war of attrition that is now 10 years long. And I'm not so sure it was a dumb move on AA's part to let those two duke it out.
I remember doing a profitability analysis when AA was trying to match Jetblue flight for flight back in 2003, entering markets like JFK-LGB/OAK and ORD-LGB.
Between price matching and downright crappy load factors, it would have been cheaper to cancel all of the flights in those three markets, refund the tickets *and* reroute the customers via DFW, and pay out guarantees to the crew members...
So, yes, AA did give up a few markets where they couldn't afford to continue trying to compete on a cost basis with Jetblue. DL hasn't learned that lesson yet, and is still hoping to win a war of attrition that is now 10 years long. And I'm not so sure it was a dumb move on AA's part to let those two duke it out.
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Getting back to my original post, I stated Jetblue and Delta would be affected more. And that is because they are busier and bigger than AA at JFK.As for the "ceding routes" comment, you can't argue the point where we left or cutback, Jetblue stepped right in.
Closer to around 150 daily flights.
Even with all the growth of Delta, AA mainline is still larger than Delta mainline at JFK, and AA mainline has a larger share of the local market in every route they compete in except MXP.
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Again, Delta's overall JFK operation is larger than AA's. I don't care if its mainline or commuter. There are more Delta tails on their ramp at a given time than AA.
The gist of my post was that Delta and Jetblue would be affected more by runway closure and flight reductions.
I was solely referring to the total number of planes with those carriers logos being held up.
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AA asks for temporary exemption from 3 hour tarmac delay rule at JFK during construction; B6 and DL applied last week:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/American-Air...ml?x=0&.v=1
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/American-Air...ml?x=0&.v=1
