Flying Titan
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No one should be shocked by this. Today's LCCs are not what they were just a few years ago. New planes, full-sized jets (as opposed to turboprops on too many routes), in flight entertainment in the case of JetBlue and Frontier, simple fare structures that are understandable and don't gouge the last-minute traveler. Of course this was going to happen.
There was a time when the legacy carriers offered more in-flight ammenities than their el cheapo competition. I just don't see where that's the case any longer. Personally, I remain a pretty loyal US FF, but for flights between NYC and upstate New York, I choose JetBlue just as often as US these days. Those Dash-8s just aren't that appealing - especially in the winter months.
I stick with US because of a very good FF program - dedicated reservations & customer service lines for preferred passengers, frequent upgrades to first class, priority check-in and boarding. The Shuttle and US Airways Clubs are also a plus for me. These benefits still set US and other legacy carriers apart from the LCCs for frequent fliers, but there are only so many of us to go around. For people who fly on business once or twice a year and take their family on a vacation or two, what's the upside? How would you convince them to choose a legacy carrier over the new LCC with the new jets, leather seats, extra legroom and those cute little TVs?
There was a time when the legacy carriers offered more in-flight ammenities than their el cheapo competition. I just don't see where that's the case any longer. Personally, I remain a pretty loyal US FF, but for flights between NYC and upstate New York, I choose JetBlue just as often as US these days. Those Dash-8s just aren't that appealing - especially in the winter months.
I stick with US because of a very good FF program - dedicated reservations & customer service lines for preferred passengers, frequent upgrades to first class, priority check-in and boarding. The Shuttle and US Airways Clubs are also a plus for me. These benefits still set US and other legacy carriers apart from the LCCs for frequent fliers, but there are only so many of us to go around. For people who fly on business once or twice a year and take their family on a vacation or two, what's the upside? How would you convince them to choose a legacy carrier over the new LCC with the new jets, leather seats, extra legroom and those cute little TVs?
TheLarkAscending
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US Airways has apparently distributed an official statement and/or document of policy regarding employees publicly discussing their company, any information, opinions and/or thoughts especially when doing so as officially declared US employees on the internet (at home or elsewhere). Due to the strictness of the newly implemented policy of censorship, Deleted has found that he, too, occasionally lacks the courage to identify himself. It is a classic case of pure irony! 
Good luck to all the non-employees everywhere, even USA320Pilot.
Good luck to all the non-employees everywhere, even USA320Pilot.
Piedmont4US
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He didn't say he was a US pilot.. it says USA320Pilot.. hmm..
TheLarkAscending
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Piedmont - check your PM, please.
firstamendment
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As much as it is hurting our dear company, the LCC have finally done it correctly. And deregulation is now providing to the public what it was meant to do (or part of it)...to allow the average Joe to fly and at affordable prices....free market in the airline industry.
firstamendment
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Let's pray we aren't the next. What do you think the answer is 700UW?700UW said:
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1. Siegel, McKeen, Glass and any other VP that has lied to the employees must be let go.
2. All labor contracts must be honored.
3. Bring in Greg Brennamen who use to be Gordon Beuthene's right hand man.
4. Expand the airline, become a real airline and not a super regional as we are.
5. Listen to the employees and treat them with respect.
6. There are numerous cost savings out there that won't require job, wage or benefit cuts.
7. Bring our company's image and planes back to standards.
8. Make First Class, First Class not McDonalds.
9. Combine the W/Os and bring all express flying back into the group and stop making Johnny O at Mesa rich.
Those are a few I can think of at the moment.
2. All labor contracts must be honored.
3. Bring in Greg Brennamen who use to be Gordon Beuthene's right hand man.
4. Expand the airline, become a real airline and not a super regional as we are.
5. Listen to the employees and treat them with respect.
6. There are numerous cost savings out there that won't require job, wage or benefit cuts.
7. Bring our company's image and planes back to standards.
8. Make First Class, First Class not McDonalds.
9. Combine the W/Os and bring all express flying back into the group and stop making Johnny O at Mesa rich.
Those are a few I can think of at the moment.
firstamendment
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Thank you!! We are on the same page.
Flying Titan
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700-700UW said:
Nice list. I agree. What are some of the specifics you have in mind for #6?
-Titan
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When this company buys things it seems they don't find the best price, it is always from someone they know etc.
We pay other companies or differant employees for services and they are not getting done. For example in our Mexican destianations, we pay them for lavatory service and they are using plain water instead of the blue solution, yet we pay them as they are using the solution.
On the RON cleaning where it is vendored or ramp, the work is not getting done, we get flights that are RON planes that are 20 minute flights and the LAVS stink like the plane just flew from Europe, so in essance you are paying for things that are not getting done.
There are numerous ideas that employees have told this company, we have proven to them many times it is cheaper to overhaul or repair parts inhouse and they want a full business plan presented to them and we prove it is cheaper yet the work is still farmed out.
We pay other companies or differant employees for services and they are not getting done. For example in our Mexican destianations, we pay them for lavatory service and they are using plain water instead of the blue solution, yet we pay them as they are using the solution.
On the RON cleaning where it is vendored or ramp, the work is not getting done, we get flights that are RON planes that are 20 minute flights and the LAVS stink like the plane just flew from Europe, so in essance you are paying for things that are not getting done.
There are numerous ideas that employees have told this company, we have proven to them many times it is cheaper to overhaul or repair parts inhouse and they want a full business plan presented to them and we prove it is cheaper yet the work is still farmed out.
All,
I have been watching US for a long time and "700" your thoughts are great, but you know as well as I know US will never get it together in PIT. They have the old steel mill mind and PIT is failling just as it did 20 years ago with steel. Your looking for Gordon or Greg to save you all. You all must first get it though you head that this steel mill mind set has to stop. Then you will grow!
From and outsider looking in, Dave and the DR. were in a loosing battle from the start.
"WHAT IS IN IT FOR ME?" WILL NOT MAKE UAIR GROW!
AFA??????????????
ALPA?????????????
IAM???????????????
CWA??????????????
NOW THAT'S WERE THE FINGER POINTING SHOULD GO! :down:
I have been watching US for a long time and "700" your thoughts are great, but you know as well as I know US will never get it together in PIT. They have the old steel mill mind and PIT is failling just as it did 20 years ago with steel. Your looking for Gordon or Greg to save you all. You all must first get it though you head that this steel mill mind set has to stop. Then you will grow!
From and outsider looking in, Dave and the DR. were in a loosing battle from the start.
"WHAT IS IN IT FOR ME?" WILL NOT MAKE UAIR GROW!
AFA??????????????
ALPA?????????????
IAM???????????????
CWA??????????????
NOW THAT'S WERE THE FINGER POINTING SHOULD GO! :down:
- Banned
- #14
XJT,
I will have to disagree with you, labor has stepped up to the plate then anyother vendor or group that deals with US Airways.
Labor has lost over 20,000 jobs since 9/11 and thru two rounds of concessions labor gave back $1.1 billion in annual savings, not counting the loss of the pilot's pension. Meanwhile Dave made $4 million last year and continues to violate the very same agreements he signed.
Until there is a total house cleaning of executives and a true CEO who wants to lead the company instead of laying blame, lying and cheating its employees this company has a very short future.
I will have to disagree with you, labor has stepped up to the plate then anyother vendor or group that deals with US Airways.
Labor has lost over 20,000 jobs since 9/11 and thru two rounds of concessions labor gave back $1.1 billion in annual savings, not counting the loss of the pilot's pension. Meanwhile Dave made $4 million last year and continues to violate the very same agreements he signed.
Until there is a total house cleaning of executives and a true CEO who wants to lead the company instead of laying blame, lying and cheating its employees this company has a very short future.
