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Heard that the company through in 1100 more names of cabin service people.
This creates a problem with the numbers needed for a vote.

Anyone here anything on this?
 
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looking into it further, I hear that these people were originally facilities maintenance people. They bumped to cabin service years ago when the TWU allowed AA to outsource building cleaning.

maybe they should have signed cards!
 
Looks like amfa's game is not up to par!!!! You didn't really think you would win did you???
 
How can the NMB accept this new list of names from AA? Should have AA not given their FULL list when asked to? If this is accepted by Ms. Hennesy of the NMB then what is to prevent any company from adding names till any card amount is diluted enough for there not to be an election?
 
Hopeful,

From what I understand there are three factors governing whether or not these people will be added to the list.

1) If these people are mechanic and related how come they have never been classified as mechanic and related by AA and the TWU?

2) Is the preponderance of their work indisputably mechanic and related? Do they work at jobs that are mechanic and related for a greater portion of their work day and can they prove it?

3) Have these same people worked mechanic and related tasks 60 days prior to the March 5, 2004 cut-off date and can it be proven? Or has the company with the TWU's blessing shifted people around within the 30-40 days to pad the numbers of people it could claim as mechanic and related in an attempt to deny the workers a representational election?

Concerning the 50 add ins that AA believes should be added to the list. They have never been members or AMR, TWU LLC or AA why should they be counted? The TWU and AA claim that there is a pending arbitration and since the dispute hasn't been settled yet they should be added. The dispute goes back to 2001 and it is now 2004, more than enough time to have settled this dispute. Why should they be added to the list if they are not, infact, even employed by American Airlines? Why not add Eastern and Pan Am Mechanics?

Regardless of what the TWU, American, AMFA or you and I think the only opinion that matters right now is the opinion of Ms. Hennessy of the NMB.

I personally believe that putting people who service lavatories in the same category as Aviation Maintenance Technicians is wrong. I have a problem with it. Also I have a problem with counting people who are not on the recall list but who are former employees who did not make it six months.
 
proAMFA said:
Hopeful,

From what I understand there are three factors governing whether or not these people will be added to the list.

1) If these people are mechanic and related how come they have never been classified as mechanic and related by AA and the TWU?

2) Is the preponderance of their work indisputably mechanic and related? Do they work at jobs that are mechanic and related for a greater portion of their work day and can they prove it?

3) Have these same people worked mechanic and related tasks 60 days prior to the March 5, 2004 cut-off date and can it be proven? Or has the company with the TWU's blessing shifted people around within the 30-40 days to pad the numbers of people it could claim as mechanic and related in an attempt to deny the workers a representational election?

Concerning the 50 add ins that AA believes should be added to the list. They have never been members or AMR, TWU LLC or AA why should they be counted? The TWU and AA claim that there is a pending arbitration and since the dispute hasn't been settled yet they should be added. The dispute goes back to 2001 and it is now 2004, more than enough time to have settled this dispute. Why should they be added to the list if they are not, infact, even employed by American Airlines? Why not add Eastern and Pan Am Mechanics?

Regardless of what the TWU, American, AMFA or you and I think the only opinion that matters right now is the opinion of Ms. Hennessy of the NMB.

I personally believe that putting people who service lavatories in the same category as Aviation Maintenance Technicians is wrong. I have a problem with it. Also I have a problem with counting people who are not on the recall list but who are former employees who did not make it six months.
I think that the honey wagons should be handled by highly trained amts only. After all engines have been lost because of blue ice.
 
Calvin said:
They allow welders to be added, right Dave?
Funny thing, when a candidate for TWU Officer is campaigning, they don't degrade the skill of the welder. Are they falsely asking for support?

It is only those TWU supporters hiding behind an alias that constantly talk down about this skill. Why doesn't the TWU tell the truth about how they feel about these craftsmen. Oh that's right Gary Yingst of the ATD is a machinist, and Randy McDonald Local 514 President is a welder. Hmmmm, why the conflicting opinions of this skill?
 
j7915 said:
I think that the honey wagons should be handled by highly trained amts only. After all engines have been lost because of blue ice.
Changing your tune are you?

Arent you the one, with the corporate style union, that believes that we should shift work away from A&Ps where ever possible to lower paid workers?
 

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