Jumpseat Priviledges for Retired USAirways Pilots

[2BorNot2B]

Are Retired Pilots still forbidden to fly jumpseat?? When I think of all the fine folks I had in my Jumpseat in my 28 yrs, and how special that was, I am truly saddened that in my Retirement I am denied that privilege by the FAA.

Has there been any recent changes?? Since U ALPA views retired U Pilots as non-members, and bars us from their website, this is the only board I know of to make such an inquiry.

2B

 

[767jetz]

Are Retired Pilots still forbidden to fly jumpseat?? When I think of all the fine folks I had in my Jumpseat in my 28 yrs, and how special that was, I am truly saddened that in my Retirement I am denied that privilege by the FAA.

Has there been any recent changes?? Since U ALPA views retired U Pilots as non-members, and bars us from their website, this is the only board I know of to make such an inquiry.

2B

Unfortunately there is no jumpseat priviledge for retired pilots. For one thing, riding the jumpseat always required a medical certificate as far as I know. In the cockpit you are considered an additional crew member, and therefore must be qualified to fly.

Additionally, since 9/11 it is also a security issue. employment verification and security background information is kept current only for active employees.

 

[2BorNot2B]

Unfortunately there is no jumpseat priviledge for retired pilots. For one thing, riding the jumpseat always required a medical certificate as far as I know. In the cockpit you are considered an additional crew member, and therefore must be qualified to fly.

Additionally, since 9/11 it is also a security issue. employment verification and security background information is kept current only for active employees.

Good Evening Jetz, thanks for taking the time to reply!

You are very much in error in your post. Jumpseat was permitted for many non-pilot individuals. Air traffic controllers (one of the big issues in the PATCO strike during the Nixon administration), including Flight Service Station Employeees. Mechanics ... ! The Airlines Executives .. Flight Dispatchers .... you name it! I personally turned down Alan Alda as stetching it a bit too far ... but he had ridden our JS many times! There was never any Pilot Qualification for the Jumpseat.

Yes ... it is 9/11 that did it in! I was just wondering if there had been any changes.

Thanks for your input.

2B

 

[Atlantic]

I think it was the guy after Nixon. And no, ret. pilots can not ride the cockpit jump seat now. I would rather put you in First anyways.

 

[flyin2low]

Why would you be commuting when you're retired?

 

[pitguy]

Spend a little of that pension and don't be so cheap.

 

[2BorNot2B]

Spend a little of that pension and don't be so cheap.

It is not the travel from point A to point B, it is missing the operation. It is the Cockpit that I miss .... the sights,sounds,procedures ...... every thing that was a thrill for 28 yrs.!

When you Retire ... you will understand!!

2B

BTW ... no pension, Lump Sum! And "irrational exhuberance" did a better part of that in!

I think it was the guy after Nixon. And no, ret. pilots can not ride the cockpit jump seat now. I would rather put you in First anyways.

:unsure: Oops!!! Can't imagine why I thought of Nixon!!

Thank's for the kind thought!

2B

 

[UALDC767]

Good Evening Jetz, thanks for taking the time to reply!

You are very much in error in your post. Jumpseat was permitted for many non-pilot individuals. Air traffic controllers (one of the big issues in the PATCO strike during the Nixon administration), including Flight Service Station Employeees. Mechanics ... ! The Airlines Executives .. Flight Dispatchers .... you name it! I personally turned down Alan Alda as stetching it a bit too far ... but he had ridden our JS many times! There was never any Pilot Qualification for the Jumpseat.

Yes ... it is 9/11 that did it in! I was just wondering if there had been any changes.

Thanks for your input.

2B

Actually the jumpseat in the cockpit is governed by FAR part 121....

§ 121.547 Admission to flight deck.

try this link to read the full text.

http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-...0.11.11&idno=14



in essence only a flight crewmember, FAA, DOD, NTSB, ATC, or approved persons of the Air Carrier (for familarization flights).


So having Alan Alda on your jumpseat would be in violation unless specific approval was given by fligth ops management. (highly unlikely, especially after 9/11!!!)

DC


For those unable to link, here is the full text.



§ 121.547 Admission to flight deck.
(a) No person may admit any person to the flight deck of an aircraft unless the person being admitted is—

(1) A crewmember;

(2) An FAA air carrier inspector, a DOD commercial air carrier evaluator, or an authorized representative of the National Transportation Safety Board, who is performing official duties;

(3) Any person who—

(i) Has permission of the pilot in command, an appropriate management official of the part 119 certificate holder, and the Administrator; and

(ii) Is an employee of—

(A) The United States, or

B. A part 119 certificate holder and whose duties are such that admission to the flightdeck is necessary or advantageous for safe operation; or

© An aeronautical enterprise certificated by the Administrator and whose duties are such that admission to the flightdeck is necessary or advantageous for safe operation.

(4) Any person who has the permission of the pilot in command, an appropriate management official of the part 119 certificate holder and the Administrator. Paragraph (a)(2) of this section does not limit the emergency authority of the pilot in command to exclude any person from the flightdeck in the interests of safety.

b. For the purposes of paragraph (a)(3) of this section, employees of the United States who deal responsibly with matters relating to safety and employees of the certificate holder whose efficiency would be increased by familiarity with flight conditions, may be admitted by the certificate holder. However, the certificate holder may not admit employees of traffic, sales, or other departments that are not directly related to flight operations, unless they are eligible under paragraph (a)(4) of this section.
© No person may admit any person to the flight deck unless there is a seat available for his use in the passenger compartment, except—

(1) An FAA air carrier inspector, a DOD commercial air carrier evaluator, or authorized representative of the Administrator or National Transportation Safety Board who is checking or observing flight operations;

(2) An air traffic controller who is authorized by the Administrator to observe ATC procedures;

(3) A certificated airman employed by the certificate holder whose duties require an airman certificate;

(4) A certificated airman employed by another part 119 certificate holder whose duties with that part 119 certificate holder require an airman certificate and who is authorized by the part 119 certificate holder operating the aircraft to make specific trips over a route;

(5) An employee of the part 119 certificate holder operating the aircraft whose duty is directly related to the conduct or planning of flight operations or the in-flight monitoring of aircraft equipment or operating procedures, if his presence on the flightdeck is necessary to perform his duties and he has been authorized in writing by a responsible supervisor, listed in the Operations Manual as having that authority; and

(6) A technical representative of the manufacturer of the aircraft or its components whose duties are directly related to the in-flight monitoring of aircraft equipment or operating procedures, if his presence on the flightdeck is necessary to perform his duties and he has been authorized in writing by the Administrator and by a responsible supervisor of the operations department of the part 119 certificate holder, listed in the Operations Manual as having that authority.

[Doc. No. 6258, 29 FR 19220, Dec. 31, 1964, as amended by Doc. No. 8084, 32 FR 5769, Apr. 11, 1967; Amdt. 121–253, 61 FR 2613, Jan. 26, 1996; Amdt. 121–288, 67 FR 2127, Jan. 15, 2002; Amdt. 121–298, 68 FR 41217, July 10, 2003



So actually it is a very limiting scope of who can ride the jumpseat. First and foremost being the requirement to be an employee of the carrier that keeps retirees off the jumpseat.

DC

It sucks I know cause my father wishes he could still use the jumpseat after retirement.

 

[2BorNot2B]

DC

It sucks I know cause my father wishes he could still use the jumpseat after retirement.
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Thanks for the FAR update, DC! It has been 10 yrs now and I really miss it! Still do the 737-400 Orig. Checklist in my head sometimes when I am trying to sleep! I loved that aircraft!

Yeah .... it was the good old days when such Reg's did not exist! The Alan Alda request happened in '82 just after I checked out. I was not about to jepardize (sp?) what took 15 yrs. to happen! Heck, I remember commuting PanAm Stewardesses in the JS back in the 60's!

Take care & Happy Holidays!!!


2B

 

[john john]

I am an agent and I have flow in the jump seat for familiarization flights countless time in the past. It is unheard of now.

 

[john john]

I remember we would always but this doctor on the jumpseat because he gave the pilots there medical certificate.

 

[Rudy]

Was that Dr. Mother, or Dr. Father?

 

[john john]

DR. girlfriend

 

[2BorNot2B]

I am an agent and I have flow in the jump seat for familiarization flights countless time in the past. It is unheard of now.

And it was ALWAYS a pleasure to have you Folks aboard!

2B

 

[Rudy]

When I first got to US over 20 years ago, the crew schedulers would get on and ride the jumpseat with us for the most part of a day. This was to familiarize them with the stresses and rigors of the job! The idea was to give them an insider's view so that they would be more understanding and compasionate.

Boy, have things come a long way......