IAM/TWU aim low.......

[bigjets]

http://www.star-telegram.com/2014/03/15/5652255/merger-brings-fresh-start-new.html
 
 
From the APA
 
Wilson remains hopeful that the three pilot contracts can be combined into one that rewards pilots for their contributions to the carrier.
“I think we will have an assimilation of the two unions into one and a joint collective bargaining agreement before the end of the year,” Wilson said.

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Aiming to reward the pilots for their contributions to the airline.
 
From the APFA
 
The union’s goal is to “achieve a joint collective bargaining agreement that is the best in the industry,” Glading said. “When the company is earning money, then everyone should reap the benefit of that.”
 
Reap the benefits, from a joint contract.
 
From the IAM
 
The IAM’s O’Donnell said some of his members haven’t had a wage increase since 1999 and are frustrated that they are making almost $2 less an hour than their counterparts at American.
 
Instead of aiming for compensation equal or better then SWA, UAL, or DAL they want  the pay that the TWU negotiated for the merger to be supported.
 
From the TWU
 
In the meantime, Peterson said, some work issues could be improved, such as adding holidays so mechanics have the same number as nonunion workers at American.
“There are things they could do, if they chose, outside of collective bargaining to at least make the workforce feel like there is going to be some difference,” Peterson said.

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The TWU is aiming for what the company GIVES the non-union employees
 
From the TULE president
 
Combining maintenance operations during a merger takes several years, Danker said. As a result, workers are unsure how many facilities the new management team at American plans to keep open over the long term.
 
I think it is a proven fact that give backs do not equal job security, just ask AFW, MCI, MSP, DTW, SJU, SUJ, SNA, CLE, etc etc
 
We PAY for this representation.This is probably why the APFA got more shares per FA and they got a 9% contribution to their 401k, not to mention the FA's got just about everything back that they gave up in bk. 
 
This is pretty disappointing considering we are the largest skilled union and a member of the AFL-CIO. Is AMFA a member of the AFL-CIO? ( I know the answer ) 
 
Delta is non-union.
 
It doesn't sound like we will be voting on the alliance of the TWU/IAM, and I'm not getting the feeling that the alliance is aiming to get a better contract then SWA or even UAL but are just comparing the two bad contracts that they negotiated. 

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[700UW]

The information is wrong.
 
The Fleet Service that O'Donnell represents have gotten raises from 2008 till 2012.
 
The Mechanic and Related received raises from 2008 till 2013.

 

[AA-MRO.COM]

With billions to be made we are still at the bottom of the industry. raises from 08-2013 and still at the bottom. Just goes to show you the heights that the IAM and TWU are reaching for. Sign an AMFA card get rid of these company stooges...

 

[Topcat187]

Yeah I agree, asking for what TWU Tech's make is asking for the next lowest pay in the industry. They should be looking at other carriers. Very weak!

 

[Thomas Paine]

Pitiful.
 
UAL and Delta both went through BK and their AMTs earn at least $10k a year more than those at AA or even lower paid US.
 
EIGHT YEARS AFTER EXITING BK THE IAM IS WILLING TO SETTLE FOR WHAT AA MECHANICS ARE MAKING THREE MONTHS AFTER EXITING BK.???!!!!
 
This is pitiful. So in the end they are willing to settle for a very distant bottom of the industry with the number one carrier in the industry. Its shameful. They are bargaining with the largest airline in the world, an airline that will be bringing in around $40 billion a year, nearly 4 times what the same management team was bringing in a year ago, with an expected profit of $3.5 billion a year and they are asking for bottom of the industry wages.
 
Don't count on getting anywhere with Joint contract negotiations either because nothing prevents the company from sitting back and saying "We can talk compensation in 2018". In the meantime they will be pulling down $3.5 billion a year in profits (no profit sharing for us thanks to the TWU/IAM) and we will be working for the number one carrier making a very distant last in compensation.
 
The IAM should be demanding at the very least what SWA gets then bargain from there. If the company is demanding SCOPE that would allow them to outsource like SWA then the IAM should be demanding compensation thats better than SWA due to our much larger size and much higher revenue.  
 
Very dissapointed in the once so called "Fighting IAM", will still support their members should they have to strike, which I doubt will happen because they really aren't asking for anything and despite all the rhetoric are still kissing managements ass. Management is prepared to give USAIR what we get anyway.
 
One thing for sure is I do not want the IAM involved in any future contract negotiations for me. Settling for wages with what will be the most profitable carrier ever at levels set in the most recent BK, eight years after leaving BK, is pretty pathetic. What company wouldn't want the IAM on the property when the Union allows them to offer the worst deal in the industry and get the Union to not only take the blame but endorse it?
 
700 if this is true that the IAM is willing to settle for what we are getting paid its pretty pathetic. Say it ain't so.

 

[Thomas Paine]

The information is wrong.
 
The Fleet Service that O'Donnell represents have gotten raises from 2008 till 2012.
 
The Mechanic and Related received raises from 2008 till 2013.

Are you claiming that these workers are making more now than they were in 1999? If they took a paycut and receieved small adjustments that don't exceed what they gave up that's not really a raise .

 

[wings396]

The information is wrong.
 
The Fleet Service that O'Donnell represents have gotten raises from 2008 till 2012.
 That's true to an extent, but I believe that he is referring to what fleet made in 1999 in comparison to today. Even with these so called raises, many are not back to where they were 15 years ago.
The Mechanic and Related received raises from 2008 till 2013.

Frank is comparing the fleet wages of 1999 with the current wage. The so called raises have barely brought fleet to where they were 15 years ago.
Sad no matter how you look at it.

 

[DallasConehead]

Same old story, different day. "Our wages and benefits suck, we are behind other carriers, the TWU sucks, get Amfa." Next!!

 

[Hope777]

Anyone besides me believe that bigjets is none other than Chip Munn ????

 

[1AA]

My take is that the company wants to drag out the IAM negotiations to the last minute. Try to beat down the work force. Then offer them a parity in pay and the same benefits or very similar benefits that we at AA have (concessions). Then it will be so much easier to get a JCBA. The end result will be the same thing we at AA have now. A concessionary contract for the worlds largest airline. Profits will roll and our contracts will continue to roll along with it except we will roll down hill.

 

[bigjets]

 We have the largest union with the backing of the AFL- CIO, and we have the worst contract. But we are paying a lot of dues to the unions. WTF!!!!!

 

[700UW]

Its called Bankruptcy.

 

[767 mechanic]

http://www.star-telegram.com/2014/03/15/5652255/merger-brings-fresh-start-new.html
 
 
From the APA
 
Wilson remains hopeful that the three pilot contracts can be combined into one that rewards pilots for their contributions to the carrier.
“I think we will have an assimilation of the two unions into one and a joint collective bargaining agreement before the end of the year,” Wilson said.

Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/2014/03/15/5652255/merger-brings-fresh-start-new.html#storylink=cpy
Aiming to reward the pilots for their contributions to the airline.
 
From the APFA
 
The union’s goal is to “achieve a joint collective bargaining agreement that is the best in the industry,” Glading said. “When the company is earning money, then everyone should reap the benefit of that.”[/size]
 
Reap the [/size]benefits, from a joint contract.
 
From the IAM[/size]
 
The IAM’s O’Donnell said some of his members haven’t had a wage increase since 1999 and are frustrated that they are making almost $2 less an hour than their counterparts at American.[/size]
 
Instead of aiming for compensation equal or better then SWA, UAL, or DAL they want  the pay that the TWU negotiated for the merger to be supported.
 
From the TWU[/size]
 
In the meantime, Peterson said, some work issues could be improved, such as adding holidays so mechanics have the same number as nonunion workers at American.[/size]
“There are things they could do, if they chose, outside of collective bargaining to at least make the workforce feel like there is going to be some difference,” Peterson said.

Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/2014/03/15/5652255/merger-brings-fresh-start-new.html#storylink=cpy
The TWU is aiming for what the company GIVES the non-union employees
 
From the TULE president
 
Combining maintenance operations during a merger takes several years, Danker said. As a result, workers are unsure how many facilities the new management team at American plans to keep open over the long term.[/size]
 
I think it is a proven fact that give backs do not equal job security, just ask AFW, MCI, MSP, DTW, SJU, SUJ, SNA, CLE, etc etc[/size]
 
We PAY for this representation.This is probably why the APFA got more shares per FA and they got a 9% contribution to their 401k, not to mention the FA's got just about everything back that they gave up in bk. [/size]
 
This is pretty disappointing considering we are the largest skilled union and a member of the AFL-CIO. Is AMFA a member of the AFL-CIO? ( I know the answer ) [/size]
 
Delta is non-union.[/size]
 
It doesn't sound like we will be voting on the alliance of the TWU/IAM, and I'm not getting the feeling that the alliance is aiming to get a better contract then SWA or even UAL but are just comparing the two bad contracts that they negotiated. [/size]

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http://www.star-telegram.com/2014/03/15/5652255/merger-brings-fresh-start-new.html
 
 
From the APA
 
Wilson remains hopeful that the three pilot contracts can be combined into one that rewards pilots for their contributions to the carrier.
“I think we will have an assimilation of the two unions into one and a joint collective bargaining agreement before the end of the year,” Wilson said.

Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/2014/03/15/5652255/merger-brings-fresh-start-new.html#storylink=cpy
Aiming to reward the pilots for their contributions to the airline.
 
From the APFA
 
The union’s goal is to “achieve a joint collective bargaining agreement that is the best in the industry,” Glading said. “When the company is earning money, then everyone should reap the benefit of that.”[/size]
 
Reap the [/size]benefits, from a joint contract.
 
From the IAM[/size]
 
The IAM’s O’Donnell said some of his members haven’t had a wage increase since 1999 and are frustrated that they are making almost $2 less an hour than their counterparts at American.[/size]
 
Instead of aiming for compensation equal or better then SWA, UAL, or DAL they want  the pay that the TWU negotiated for the merger to be supported.
 
From the TWU[/size]
 
In the meantime, Peterson said, some work issues could be improved, such as adding holidays so mechanics have the same number as nonunion workers at American.[/size]
“There are things they could do, if they chose, outside of collective bargaining to at least make the workforce feel like there is going to be some difference,” Peterson said.

Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/2014/03/15/5652255/merger-brings-fresh-start-new.html#storylink=cpy
The TWU is aiming for what the company GIVES the non-union employees
 
From the TULE president
 
Combining maintenance operations during a merger takes several years, Danker said. As a result, workers are unsure how many facilities the new management team at American plans to keep open over the long term.[/size]
 
I think it is a proven fact that give backs do not equal job security, just ask AFW, MCI, MSP, DTW, SJU, SUJ, SNA, CLE, etc etc[/size]
 
We PAY for this representation.This is probably why the APFA got more shares per FA and they got a 9% contribution to their 401k, not to mention the FA's got just about everything back that they gave up in bk. [/size]
 
This is pretty disappointing considering we are the largest skilled union and a member of the AFL-CIO. Is AMFA a member of the AFL-CIO? ( I know the answer ) [/size]
 
Delta is non-union.[/size]
 
It doesn't sound like we will be voting on the alliance of the TWU/IAM, and I'm not getting the feeling that the alliance is aiming to get a better contract then SWA or even UAL but are just comparing the two bad contracts that they negotiated. [/size]

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Hell the way I look at it is that those of us that are mechanics here at AA have not had a raise since 2003 when we took concessions. We were at $35.89 an hour for base pay and license premium and we are still lower than than that 11 years later We had to piggy back off of the AMFA contract to get that. The twu delayed neg until after they were through at NWA because they new they could not neg as good a contract as AMFA. The way I look at it until my wages go above $35.89 I have not received a raise.

 

[1lcc]

WE at US Airways, do not want what AA has we want what we deserve from a company that was not in BK and profitable! we don't want the contract that was negotiated by Doug to a BK AA. After the merger Doug gives Non-union US employees 2 more holidays, another weeks vacation at 17 years while it takes contract employees 25 years, How does make us feel? Why should we have to give up anything, Why should we settle? Doug better get this fixed soon. All the company has to talk about is employee bliss I can tell you no bliss in MX! 

 

[bigjets]

Its called Bankruptcy.

 
 
Wow, the APA, and APFA are both independent of the AFL-CIO, both of those unions fared better in BK and on coming out of BK then the TWU, both of those unions represent workers of AA, now the troubleshooting chart faults the TWU/AFL-CIO.  We all understand that no union wins in BK, but the union that represents the mechanics did far worse then the other unions on the property.
 
I hope I'm never sitting on a plane at the gate, that you are trying to troubleshoot.