Here Is Your Chance To Support Border Patrol

usjacket said:
Border Betrayal
To support border patrol agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean...
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They were convicted in a jury trial of shooting an unarmed drug smuggler, who was running away from them near the Rio Grande, in the buttocks and causing him serious bodily injury. They then failed to file reports about the shooting.
 
I seem to recall seeing or reading something about this. If I recall correctly, the problem was not so much that they were guilt (it appears they were) but the sentence that was handed down. I believe the argument was that the sentence they were given was far harsher than sentences given to other convicted criminals who committed worse crimes. I would post a link but I’ll be damned if I can find/remember what I heard or where I heard it.
 
Garfield1966 said:
I seem to recall seeing or reading something about this. If I recall correctly, the problem was not so much that they were guilt (it appears they were) but the sentence that was handed down. I believe the argument was that the sentence they were given was far harsher than sentences given to other convicted criminals who committed worse crimes. I would post a link but I’ll be damned if I can find/remember what I heard or where I heard it.
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You probably heard it on CNN the other day. It was originally on "Lou Dobbs Tonight," but was later aired on various occasions:

DOBBS: Outrage continues to go over the case of two U.S. Border Patrol agents, Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean, given harsh sentences for shooting an illegal alien, Mexican drug smuggler. Members of Congress asking President Bush to pardon those two agents. Among those congressmen making that request, Congressman Walter Jones, Republican, North Carolina; Congressman Ted Poe, Republican from Texas.

REP. TED POE ®, TEXAS: I don't know if the president will grant this pardon or not, but it's certainly something that he can be and should do in this particular case. Our government was on the wrong side. We -- literally the wrong side of the border. More concerned about a drug dealer than we were Border Patrol agents. It sends the wrong message to the Border Patrol. They prosecuted the wrong person. And... I'm not sure what the hidden motives were, but spending so much money in prosecuting this case -- if they spent as much money and time protecting the border as they were prosecuting these two border agents, our borders would be secure right now.

REP. WALTER JONES ®, NORTH CAROLINA: I would like to say very quickly, I would hope that the people watching this show will call 1-202-456-1111. That is the White House telephone number. And say, Mr. President, for goodness sakes, for goodness sakes, let's give these men the pardon. As Ted said, they have no business being in jail.
 
TWAnr said:
They were convicted in a jury trial of shooting an unarmed drug smuggler, who was running away from them near the Rio Grande, in the buttocks and causing him serious bodily injury. They then failed to file reports about the shooting.
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Proves we need better sharpshooters.
 
Former border agent beaten in prison, family and congressman say

02/06/2007

By ALICIA A. CALDWELL / Associated Press


A former U.S. Border Patrol agent who was convicted of shooting a drug smuggling suspect and then lying about it was beaten by fellow inmates in prison, his relatives and a congressman said Tuesday.

Prison officials did not immediately confirm the beating of Ignacio Ramos, whose conviction along with that of fellow former agent Jose Alonso Compean sparked outcry from critics alleging the men were merely doing their job defending the border against criminals.

Republican U.S. Rep. Tom Tancredo of Colorado, a vocal supporter of the agents and opponent of illegal immigration, criticized the Bush administration for failing to protect Ramos and demanded a full presidential pardon for them.

"Not only did the administration choose the side of a foreign dope runner over the agents who stopped him from smuggling a load of drugs into the county — now they've failed to protect that agent while his case is on appeal," he said in a statement.

Tancredo issued his statement after reports that Ramos was severely beaten by inmates at the Yazoo City federal prison, a medium- and low-security facility near Jackson, Miss.

The agents were convicted last year of shooting Osvaldo Aldrete Davila in 2005 at a rural area near El Paso and then trying to cover up the incident. Davila was shot once in the buttocks.

Ramos and Compean, who reported to prison in January, were each sentenced to more than a decade behind bars. Compean is serving his sentence at the Elkton Federal Correctional Institution, a low-security prison in Ohio. There have been no reports of problems with his detention.

According to Tancredo's statement, Ramos' relatives told him of the weekend beating Monday.

Monica Ramos, the agent's wife, told The Associated Press on Tuesday that he called her on his 38th birthday and said: "They got me. They got me good."

She said her husband described being attacked late Saturday, when he "let his guard down" and went to his bed. The attackers, Monica Ramos said, kicked and stomped him for several minutes before running away.

Ignacio Ramos was able to identify one man in the group and is now pursuing criminal charges, Monica Ramos said.

Officials with the Federal Bureau of Prisons did not immediately return a phone call seeking comment Tuesday.

Carlos Espinosa, a spokesman for Tancredo, said federal prison officials have confirmed that the assault took place. Details of the incident were not available, he said.
 
Is'nt that grand?

perhaps those border agents will be compelled to turn their heads next time, let the gangs and drug dealers come on across without ever firing a shot.

hopefully california is their destination, and all those libs are the main target. :up:
 
local 12 proud said:
Is'nt that grand?

perhaps those border agents will be compelled to turn their heads next time, let the gangs and drug dealers come on across without ever firing a shot.

hopefully california is their destination, and all those libs are the main target. :up:
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And consumers.... :p

UT
 
TWAnr said:
They were convicted in a jury trial of shooting an unarmed drug smuggler, who was running away from them near the Rio Grande, in the buttocks and causing him serious bodily injury. They then failed to file reports about the shooting.
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Seems the buttocks incident doesn't meet the rules for use of deadly force as indicated in Massad F.Ayoob's teatise on the art.

And yes,Vaginya....personal protection rules of force apply to the man also. ;)
 
Seatacus said:
Is it possible that this is why the gov't. wanted to put them in prison.
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Well, it is not unusual for the government to go after those who covered up. Remember Watergate? How about Scooter Libby's trial?

These two agents were prosecuted by a United States Attorney that was appointed by President G. W. Bush and found guilty by a Texas jury (not exactly the most liberal folks around) after exercising their constitutional right to be tried by their peers.
 
Seatacus said:
"They then failed to file reports about the shooting."

Is it possible that this is why the gov't. wanted to put them in prison.
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It is part of the reason... along with 'obstruction of justice' they were convicted of assault with serious bodily injury, assault with a deadly weapon, discharge of a firearm in relation to a crime of violence and a civil rights charge.

In layman terms, they were put in prison because the Border Agents shot 15 times at an unarmed man who was running away from them towards Mexico and who posed no threat.

And because of that, our judicial system cannot ignore those agents' crimes just because the person they shot turned out to be a possible drug smuggler. Our system of justice requires that a person be tried in a court of law before he/she is punished. We do not permit police officers and/or border agents to summarily punish those whom the agents think have committed crimes. An agent cannot shoot at an unarmed suspect who does not pose an immediate serious threat to the life of the agent or a bystander.

The sentence for these crimes, however, may be a bit harsh. And unfortunately, these prison beatings are just part of being in prison... it doesn't make it right, but it is reality.
 
TWAnr said:
They were convicted in a jury trial of shooting an unarmed drug smuggler, who was running away from them near the Rio Grande, in the buttocks and causing him serious bodily injury. They then failed to file reports about the shooting.
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Next time they should just kill them like Mexico does. Try the same crap in Mexico. Hell, just try bringing a firearm across the border, and see what happens. Mexico has absolutely no room to talk about how the USA treats anyone, as they are some of the worst.
 
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