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[Rusty Bullethole]

Yet another Air-rage incident on one of AA's aircraft! Two drunken Canadian's being abusive to the crew then proceeded to start wrecking the inside of the aircraft. The flight (JFK-LHR) diverts to SNN, pax offloaded then continued on to London. At LHR two seats have to be blocked out for it's return trip (87), as the bellends have ripped down the overhead P.S.U. rendering the pax oxygen inop.

When are people going to learn? How do they expect to get away with it?

I say, Lock 'em up and throw away the friggin key!!!!!

 

[TransWorldONE]

I'm afraid it will eventually come down to banning booze on flights all together. I remember the days of the smoking section with it's countless problems. Riots on PBI-JFK, buffer zones, having a flying partner blaze up next to you on the jumpseat. Seems like a lifetime ago. I think we will one day look back at the days of when alcohol was served on planes. Sad, for those of us who can handle our liquor, *Hic*.

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

I'm afraid it will eventually come down to banning booze on flights all together. I remember the days of the smoking section with it's countless problems. Riots on PBI-JFK, buffer zones, having a flying partner blaze up next to you on the jumpseat. Seems like a lifetime ago. I think we will one day look back at the days of when alcohol was served on planes. Sad, for those of us who can handle our liquor, *Hic*.

The last "group" that wants to see the "hootch" disappear is AA !!!
Why, MONEY $$$$$$$

AA did,nt care about the "butt heads"(nor the devestating effects it had on it's non smoking employees) UNTIL 50% + "1" of it's regular passengers urged them to ban it, or face losing them to the non smoking competition.

AA saved $$$$$$$$ on "no" food. AA would lose $$$$$$$$ not selling booze.

Simple economics !!

NH/BB's

 

[A/C FIXER]

Its too bad that AA will in all probability will do nothing to the Paxs, they don't want the bad publicity, the local authorities will probably give the Canadians a fine and let them go if they haven't already, AA will eat the cost of repairing the overhead psu panel and life will go on.
NH/BB is completely right, AA will never ban the sale of booze, not at 5.00 bucks a pop for a can of beer, you can dam* near buy half a case of beer for what they charge for 1 can.

 

[L1011Ret]

I used to Captain L-1011s LGA PBI. There was more acting out by Pax on that flight segment than any other I can remember. One month in the spring around March, I had seven people arrested for somoking pot and alcohol related incidents. To this day I am uncertain why LGA PBI was such an obnoxious group.

 

[Crapdog]

What needs to be done is reduce the alcohol content in the drinks to 40 proof or less for hard liquor and serve okie dokie 3.2 beer. Then they can charge more for a drink and people will drink more to get smashed so the airlines can make billions........and........billions of dollars so we can all get our jobs back.
Oh by the way...... I'm not an airline executive.....hmm....but maybe I should be.
I think I'm gona change my resume. BAC CALCULATOR

 

[AA80Driver]

I used to Captain L-1011s LGA PBI. There was more acting out by Pax on that flight segment than any other I can remember. One month in the spring around March, I had seven people arrested for somoking pot and alcohol related incidents. To this day I am uncertain why LGA PBI was such an obnoxious group.

Nothing has changed. They still have to have somone pulled off of about every other flight on that route.

 

[L1011Ret]

Any opinions on why LGA PBI should be so obnoxious?

 

[Winglet]

"When are people going to learn? How do they expect to get away with it?"


First of all there's no learning involved here. You have jumped to the typical mealy mouthed liberal conclusion that it's an "education" problem. It's not. It's a a problem of being an "A**HOLE." And unfortunately, A**HOLES only understand (and then only sometimes) getting the crap beat out of them, which of course we can't do.

How do they expect to get away with it? Easy, the FAA and the law, including the Canadians only give slaps on the wrist. If the law mandated 6 month prison terms and that restitution be made for damage and excess cost incurred for diversion, maybe things might be different in some cases. But then again, A**HOLES often don't have any assets to go after, and then, after all, if they were disuaded by the threat of being Bubba's girlfriend in prison or a heavy monetary fine . . . . they might not be A**HOLES.

 

[air_guy]

Its too bad that AA will in all probability will do nothing to the Paxs, they don't want the bad publicity, the local authorities will probably give the Canadians a fine and let them go if they haven't already, AA will eat the cost of repairing the overhead psu panel and life will go on.
NH/BB is completely right, AA will never ban the sale of booze, not at 5.00 bucks a pop for a can of beer, you can dam* near buy half a case of beer for what they charge for 1 can.

We go after unruly passengers and get them fined for whatever damages they cause us. No big press for obvious reasons. Recently a CDG flight diverted to Gander, and as a matter of fact the Shannon flight is being litigated early next weekend. Don't speculate about what the company may or may not do with no facts. If you don't know, ask, but don't speculate negatively about how the day to day gets handled at AA.

And by the way what services /products get offered onboard are a combination of regulations and competitiveness not corporate greed as some suggested. Besides whatever money we can make within the law gets used to keep us employed. Cheers

 

[Rusty Bullethole]

Mr. Winglet...........

First of all, I am no mealy mouthed liberal, but thanks for the kind words anyway!

Secondly, these piss-ants will not be dealt with by the FAA or Canadian officials as they were taken into custody in Ireland, so we shall wait and see what the outcome is.

Yours.........Rusty

 

[desertfox]

Mr. Winglet...........

First of all, I am no mealy mouthed liberal, but thanks for the kind words anyway!

Secondly, these piss-ants will not be dealt with by the FAA or Canadian officials as they were taken into custody in Ireland, so we shall wait and see what the outcome is.

Yours.........Rusty

"they were taken into custody in Ireland"

Oh my....these guys probably figured they died and went to heaven! Guiness straight from home of the revered beverage....eh?

I bet we hear nothing more of what happens to those involved. In any event, the full costs of the diversion and damages should be the minimum they should be forced to pay.

 

[AgMedallion]

To really receive serious punishment, you have to get drunk, climb up on a dessert cart, pull your pants down, squat, take a dump on the cart, then jump back down. That apparently gets their attention, not merely ripping out some ceiling panels or upholstery. Those Canadians were strictly bush-league.
I would like to know why those guys weren't put in restraints, i.e. those plastic cuffs flight crews now have, if they were actually tearing up the plane. Or were they and it just wasn't mentioned in this thread?

 

[Rusty Bullethole]

Posted on Jetnet today.........




Thanks in large part to the teamwork of AA's customer service, flight service, flight and security teams, two Canadian citizens who caused an April 22 disruption on Flight 122 JFK-LHR have been dealt with appropriately in an Irish court of law.

Warren Clamen and Guy Saint Arnaud were sentenced for various counts of assault and criminal damage and were banned from flying on any airline for two years, except to return to the U.S. American, Aer Lingus, Continental and BA are banning them even from the return flight. Immigration and Customs Enforcement is refusing entry into the U.S.

In addition to significant fines, the two have been ordered to pay full restitution to American in the amount of 19,808.88 euros.

Tom Kennedy of the Shannon Police Department confirmed that Clamen was sentenced on three charges of assault and one charge of threatening behavior and paid fines of 18,200 euros in penalty and to avoid a prison sentence.

Kennedy said that Saint Arnaud was sentenced on two assault charges, one charge of threatening behavior and one charge of criminal damage and paid fines of 17,550 euros.

Clamen and Saint Arnaud are appealing the flying ban; the appeal will cost them each an additional 5,000 euro.

Both were also ordered to "keep the peace for two years."

Clamen and Saint Arnaud have been added to the AA Refuse List.


To Desertfox........ So you thought that the Irish justice system would be a joke??

To Mr. Winglet...........I think that this might educate them not to do it again!

 

[Wretched Wrench]

WOW! SIX DAYS!

Now, that is a speedy trial. Let's divert all our criminal passengers to Ireland.