Faa Says Nw Safe

[NWAMSP]

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/news/2005-0...wa-safety_x.htm

Hmmm, FAA says NW safe. No video evidence of a beer drinking replacement worker surfaces, replacements were 10% behind industry in on-time percentage with a much smaller workforce.

Hmmmm, perhaps NW's offer tomorrow will be for less than replacement worker wages. Would that make it scabbing on scabs?

Flight attendants, you hold the key in all of this. Your silence is deafening.

Pilots won't play with the lower class, IAM hopes to see AMFA wither - already counting membership increase gained since strike, wondering how much more they can get.

As a great thinker named Rodney King once said....unions can't we all just get along?

 

[HPearlyretiree]

Hmm, seems like the only group using hyperbole, hysterics and threats is the union.

99% of America doesn't know about the strike, nor do they care, planes are flying, people are getting to where they want to get to.

AMFA lost, and is looking more comical every day.

 

[AA-MCI]

Hmm, seems like the only group using hyperbole, hysterics and threats is the union.

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Along with the rabid anti-union hacks like HPearlyretiree.

Hey, HP, why did the America West mechanics vote in a union?

Imagine how they would have fared in a seniority integration situation if they hadn't...

 

[AA-MCI]

Hmmm, FAA says NW safe.

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Well, that was the quickest FAA investigation in history! I'm sure the full report respoonding in detail to the allegations made by the benched FAA inspector is in the mail, right?

In a telephone conversation Wednesday morning, Dayton said, Blakey told him nothing she's received from FAA inspectors would indicate there is a safety concern at Northwest Airlines.

Possibly the best example of management-speak in 2005. Kind of nice to know that good old Sgt. Schultz from Hogan's Heroes has a modern counterpart: "I see nooooottthhhhhhiiiinnnngggg!".

 

[Bob Owens]

Well the FAA said EAL was safe, until after they shut down, then they revealed their deficiencies.

The FAA said that Valuejet was safe-until they vaporized a hundred people in the Florida everglades.


The FAA said the DC-10 engine change proceedure was safe, until it fell off and vaporized 200 people in Chicago.

The FAA said that security was suficient, until terrorists highjacked 4 airplanes in a single day and deliberately crashed all of them killing over 2000 people.


All the relatives of all those dead people may not believe what the FAA says anymore, and can you blame them?

As for the beer drinker that was witnessed by a reporter.

 

[Beer Guzzler]

The FAA said that Valuejet was safe-until they vaporized a hundred people in the Florida everglades.

The FAA said that security was suficient, until terrorists highjacked 4 airplanes in a single day and deliberately crashed all of them killing over 2000 people.

Come on now.. You are really reaching here!

ValueJet .. Hmmmm! That was an 02 generator that was loaded by operations illegally.. Had no bearing at all on the safety of ValueJet's aircraft.

Sept 11th? Blame that on the FAA? Let's add: CIA, FBI, NSA Oh yeah, Brother Bill & the 'Hildabeast' & the FAA .. They all failed miserably.

 

[proAMFA]

Read up a little bit on ValueJets safety record. ValueJet was not a little behind the safety standards of the rest of the airlines, ValueJet was a lot behind and had a terrible safety record when compared to the others.

Read former Director of the Dept of Transportation Mary Schiavo's book


Flying Blind, Flying Safe

 

[NWA/AMT]

Come on now.. You are really reaching here!

ValueJet .. Hmmmm! That was an 02 generator that was loaded by operations illegally.. Had no bearing at all on the safety of ValueJet's aircraft.

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If that was the only problem at ValuJet, why did the FAA take the extreme measures they did in the following months, including shutting the airline down and the unprecedented measure of putting an FAA maintenance inspector doing a walk-around on every aircraft and reviewing every logbook prior to flight?

The O2 generator was just a symptom of the larger problems at ValuJet, and up until that point the FAA had asserted over and over that all was well, despite evidence that had been mounting for months.

Sept 11th? Blame that on the FAA?

Indeed. In the end the terrorists were able to succeed in their mission because the FAA allowed knives with blades less than four inches to be carried on commercial flights, providing the terrorists with the means to arm themselves with the weapons they needed to take control of the aircraft.

 

[Bob Owens]

Come on now.. You are really reaching here! 

ValueJet .. Hmmmm! That was an 02 generator that was loaded by operations illegally.. Had no bearing at all on the safety of ValueJet's aircraft.

Sept 11th? Blame that on the FAA?    Let's add: CIA, FBI, NSA Oh yeah, Brother Bill & the 'Hildabeast' & the FAA .. They all failed miserably.

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Valuejet had many incidences over a short period of time, the crash was the final straw.

Blame it on the FAA, yes. The FAA is in charge of the aviation industry. They could have mandated increased security like what they had in place in England for many years. The FAA said the airlines are safe and they are the one primarily responsible.

Blame it on Clinton? No, it happened on Bush's watch, after the administration recieved a recently published report that indicated that the terrorists were likely to hijack US aircraft. Did all those other agencies fail because they told the Administration and the administration ignored them?Or did the administration fail, like they failed those hit by Katrina? Truman had a sign on his desk, it said "The Buck stops here" One thing for sure with this administration is that sign is no longer there. This administration has made an art out of passing the buck.

If you care to recall, which you probably dont, Al Gore led a commision on improving airport security. They made several recommendations, which the industry lobbied hard against, their Republican friends helped them squash the whole thing.

But lets not forget that Clinton did not have the report about the planned hijackings that the Bush Administration had. Despite that, all through the 90s I can recall several incidences where management told us we were on "high alert" due to some information the government picked up. A while later we would hear that people were caught at the border. Prior to Sept 11 there was no such alert. But then again 9-11 gave Bush the green light into Iraq didnt it?

I love how you right wingers try to pin 9-11 on Clinton. Talk about twisted logic. However the first attack on the Twin Towers is not pinned on the first Bush. Nor do you ever mention the 200 Marines killed in Bierut by a suicide bomber under Reagan. We attacked that ominous threat to our National security; "Grenada" to show the world not to mess with us. Even with Katrina I hear the people who want to cut the government down to nothing try to blame Clinton for Bush's lack of response. The fact is that we cant prevent every disaster but we should be able to respond to them. Recent estimates claim that the loss of life may be as high as 10,000 people. The majority of whom survived the storm but perished due to the lack of response.

 

[Hula Girl]

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Get off the politics. This guy is out to kill Americans. Period.

 

[robbedagain]

I remember reading an article a while back that had a photo of a Valujet DC-9 that had a fire that gutted a good portion of its top. If that wasnt a wake up call for the FAA Tombstone Agency, then I guess they had to wait until that fateful day in the Everglades. that sure was sad and could have been prevented had the Tombstone Agency taken the proper measures then. I just hope NWA doesnt go down that route with these scabs mechanices working on the planes.

 

[PlayTheOdds]

Northwest says the airline is safe. The FAA says it is safe. The NTSB says the airline is safe. The public says the airline is safe. I say the airline is safe. You AMFA guys are the only ones that say it isn't safe. Is there any possible way that you are wrong? Your little broke union bit off way more than it could chew. Delle is going to be retiring on your money while you guys hit the street. Then some of you poor suckers are going to continue paying union dues. Swearing up and down that AMFA will rise again. While some other sap gets rich off of your money. You guys are sheep being led to the slaughter.

 

[700UW]

The NTSB only investigates crashes or accidents, please show the board where the NTSB is involved.

 

[delldude]

The FAA said the DC-10 engine change proceedure was safe, until it fell off and vaporized 200 people in Chicago.

bullfeathers.....FAA?
hows about seasoned mechanics not following maintenance manual procedure and short cutting..... and the lead responsibile took his own life after realizing what he had done.......
FAA never signed off on that procedure....
in fact the investigation found AA violated procedure and they were responsible.....and AA tried to cover up an internal investigation over the procedure recommending mechanics stop this practice and FAA got ahold of the memo......mechanics short cutting.... killed 200... :down:

 

[PlayTheOdds]

Do you really believe that? Do not under estimate what happens behind the scenes between the upper echelons of the NTSB and the FAA.