"CONDI"...demanding help from NATO

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

"Our" gal CONDI, has the BALLS(well you know what I mean), to be Dictating to NATO, for HELP in defending against the Taliban.

ARE YOU SH!TTING ME, OR WHAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

She, along with her co-horts..EL-CHIMPO and Dirty DICK, were ALL FOR taking the "eye of the prize"(Afganistan), and sending the poor overworked troops to Iraq( aka....the PHONEY WAR)

And If THAT wasn't BAD enough, SHE was(along with EC + DD), Bad mouthing Nato, left and right.

Now the TALIBAN have regrouped( HELLO is ANYONE HOME at 1600), and heck, if you were the Taliban, would'nt YOU regroup, if the US WALKED AWAY to persue "OTHER MATTERS" ???????????????


Seriously.

Do THESE F***ING PEOPLE think that we people are too dumb to see what this Inadequate Administration is doing/has done ???????????????????????

C;mon...."12"/DELL...jump in here !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Garfield1966]

It cracks me up that these dolts thumb their nose at world opinion about the whole Iraq debacle and now we expect their help? The arrogance and incompetence of this administration is beyond anything I have ever seen.

Unfortunately, when the US gets attacked again, who ever is in office at the time will get pinned for it.

 

[local 12 proud]

It cracks me up that these dolts thumb their nose at world opinion about the whole Iraq debacle and now we expect their help? The arrogance and incompetence of this administration is beyond anything I have ever seen.

Unfortunately, when the US gets attacked again, who ever is in office at the time will get pinned for it.

We got hit several months after W took charge,....only after BILLY turned down Osamas head on a platter.

Yea were gonna get hit again and hard, and Im betting it will be a liberal who gives them the green light.

My only hope is when it comes it takes out the ones who eat sand like you Garf!

 

[Garfield1966]

My understanding is that attempts were made to get OBL but he was being accussed of diverting attention away from the all important impeachment trials. Remember, he lied to a GJ about getting his knob polished in Oval.

I gather the fact that W started a war in Iraq which had nothing to do what so ever with the 9/11 attack and did not have any WMD's has had no affect on our standing in the international community? I guess that has not ticked off the radical whack jobs that want to attack us.

BTW, what is it that I am missing by putting my head in the sand?

It amazes me how republicans refuse to take any responsibility for any thing that happens. It is always someone else’s fault. Cowardice at it’s finest.

W attacked Afghanistan and put OBL on the run. Had he stopped there one could easily argue that he cleaned up the mess that you accuse Clinton of leaving behind. World opinion was behind US. We were attacked and we went after the folks who gave us the black eye. And like Toby Keith sang, "we lit up their sky like the 4th of July". Countries who could not stand us were offering to help. Cuba and Libya even offered IIRC.

The mess we are in now has not got a god dam thing to do with Clinton. That dog does not and never will hunt. It is DOA. The mess we are in now is 100% W. He decided to invade Iraq for reasons not founded in logic or reason. The evidence was fabricated and paraded around for all to see. Incompetent leaders formulated plans that had no hope of working. Military personal were sent into combat with out the proper tools to do their job looking for evidence to support W which did not exist. They were sent to fight a threat that never existed. Whether W went there to finish what his daddy started or went there for oil or some other delusions no one will ever know.

Had any one listed to what Cheney said several years earlier they would have realized that a war in Iraq would end in a failure. Cheney said it. YOUR OWN GUY SAID IT WOULD NOT WORK!!!!! What part of that do you not get? He put ego and money before the interest of the country. He knowingly threw the lives of over 4,000 away. For that alone he should be impeached and run out of town.

Yes, in all likely hood we will get hit again and it will not be from the like of OBL. W took care of that little mess. It will be from someone who thinks the US involvement in Iraq stinks. It will be a hornet from the nest that W just kicked over with no regard for what would come afterward. And then he just walks away. When the attack comes. I hope he and Cheney are at ground zero to reap the rewards for their careless actions.

 

[jerseyfinn]

Realistically speaking, you dem lovers ( or better to say "people haters" ? <_< ) have a good chance of getting your hands on power by years end. It's gonna be real interesting when B43 is not there to blame and American and the world suddenly realize that the problems and issues confronting the world are still there. In short, welcome to the adult world!

Interesting how the so-called "facts" evolve from dissent about Iraq to this irrational rejection of American policy in general as if walking away from this region and disengaging completely from the dangerous goings will make the world better. Afghanistan remains a big piece of the puzzle in this foreign policy challenge in a very difficult region. But of course some folks know better, don't they?

If one reads news sources such as the Wall Street Journal (or even watch C-SPAN ), you might have noticed that the new Canadian PM recently issues some harsh words to European leaders and NATO. Now in Canada, there exists strong public sentiment to completely withdraw their troops from Afghanistan ( many Canadians also have the dem flu whose symptoms are irrationality & shrieking ). But Canada has a long history in NATO & has always been a dependable partner. The Candian PM tells NATO and Euro-leaders that their nations, through NATO had previously agreed to send troops to Afghanistan, but now they shirk this responsibility/promise. This creates insufficient numbers of troops. Likewise certain nations ( the Old Europe types ) that do have troops, all clamor for assigments in places where the troops are not needed ( ie. not as much hostile activity ). So the PM tells them to live up to their obligations and to quit shirking responsibility. What makes this an interesting story is that Canada may still pull their troops out ( or the PM may decide to keep them deployed despite public opinion to the contrary ). In any case, there are dissenting voices out there who may have disagreed about Iraq policy, but they still believe in engagement and fulfilling obligaitons.

So things are not quite so cut and dry as some folks here suggest. The real adult world is a lot more complex than simply calling folks names.

Barry

 

[Garfield1966]

The republicans have been blaming the Dems for the past 7 years. Does that not work the other way as well?

The resulting failure in Iraq is a direct result of the failure of american policy as reinterpreted by W. His own VP said this would happen but no one stuck with that theory. W him self said in 2000 that the US military should not be used for nation building. Perhaps he should have stuck with that theory as well. Most of the world told the US to stuff it when the US decided to invade Iraq. W was only able to bully a hand full of nations to contribute a hand full of forces. They have since realized it was a mistake and that W is an incompetent leader who's reasoning was not sound.

Perhaps you can send a letter to your hero in the White House and let him know that Afghanistan is important. He seems to have all but forgotten about it. He is already focusing on Iran. Third times is the charm?

Found this source that lays out who has troops in Iraq. Not sure of its accuracy (seems legit) but if it is it's very impressive

Iraq Coalition TroopsIraq Coalition Troops

The info is 1 year old but it's not like other countries are chomping at the bit to send more troops in. The list of countries who are or will with draw is pretty impressive. Even the UK is drawing down. Not sure what you define as "old world Europe but aside from the UK, the only European nations in Iraq are former Easter Block nations. I must admit, the number of forces they committed is staggering. I am sure the 120 Albanians would be missed if they withdrew.

The implosion of Iraq when US troops are with drawn will rest solely on W's shoulders for all eternity. He pulled the trigger that caused the fragile house of cards to fall. The ME may not have been the most stable region (Duh) but at least it was holding together. Perhaps had W not got a hard on over Iraq, Iran might have been easier to deal with. We will never know.

W will be kicked around for decades. Hell, republicans still mention Carter. Well not so much anymore because they know they have a NEW winner. W's name will be brought up in conversations for decades to come. You thunk just because he leaves office, he washes his hands? Yea, let me know how that theory works for you.

 

[local 12 proud]

Libber coming soon!!!!!

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

Libber coming soon!!!!!

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Yes..."12", thats what we are all looking at to happen(whether we want it or not)

ANY thing, be it a DEM/Green/Libertarian/Independant etc, would be better than the GOP at this point.

They ARE dysfunctional, and will take a DECADE to regroup,...thanx to EL-CHIMPO, and Dirty DICK.

 

[local 12 proud]

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Yes..."12", thats what we are all looking at to happen(whether we want it or not)

ANY thing, be it a DEM/Green/Libertarian/Independant etc, would be better than the GOP at this point.

They ARE dysfunctional, and will take a DECADE to regroup,...thanx to EL-CHIMPO, and Dirty DICK.

Its all good Bears, Ive got my back-up plans laid already....

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

Its all good Bears, Ive got my back-up plans laid already....

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Thats GOOD....."12"..........(and you know I'm sincere) !

I just HOPE that GLOBAL WARMING(that Phenomenon that the GOP pokes fun at, ..yet The Inuit in Alaska say..."Take Great HEED")( my $$$ on the Ancient INUIT), doesn't MELT the Perma-frost, PERMANENTLY, in places like FAI !!


Pick your "poison" ;

1. Lower Taxes,....................But SCREW the Environment :down:
Or,
2. Higher Taxes,....................And SAVE whats left of the "Creators MASTERPIECES"

Without YOU telling me,....."I KNOW" which one YOU'LL (relectantly) pick !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[UAL_TECH]

"Our" gal CONDI, has the BALLS(well you know what I mean), to be Dictating to NATO, for HELP in defending against the Taliban.

ARE YOU SH!TTING ME, OR WHAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

She, along with her co-horts..EL-CHIMPO and Dirty DICK, were ALL FOR taking the "eye of the prize"(Afganistan), and sending the poor overworked troops to Iraq( aka....the PHONEY WAR)

And If THAT wasn't BAD enough, SHE was(along with EC + DD), Bad mouthing Nato, left and right.

Now the TALIBAN have regrouped( HELLO is ANYONE HOME at 1600), and heck, if you were the Taliban, would'nt YOU regroup, if the US WALKED AWAY to persue "OTHER MATTERS" ???????????????


Seriously.

Do THESE F***ING PEOPLE think that we people are too dumb to see what this Inadequate Administration is doing/has done ???????????????????????

C;mon...."12"/DELL...jump in here !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NATO originally supported the Afghanistan invasion but now want no part of it. :angry:
Iraq and Afghanistan are two separate issues.
Maybe we should take their advice and follow their lead.
Kick the UN out of the US, withdraw from the UN and NATO, retract 'ALL' of our troops back to the US from around the 'WORLD' and watch the crap hit the fan.
Start aggressive alternate fuel sources and tap 'all' of our own oil sources until we are independent on foreign influence.
Begin immediate construction of massive nuclear power plants across the nation.
Close our borders and kick out 'ALL' illegal aliens 'immediately' if not sooner!

Heck, I'd even vote for Billery if She proposed this

B) UT

 

[Garfield1966]

NATO originally supported the Afghanistan invasion but now want no part of it. :angry:
Iraq and Afghanistan are two separate issues.
Maybe we should take their advice and follow their lead.
Kick the UN out of the US, withdraw from the UN and NATO, retract 'ALL' of our troops back to the US from around the 'WORLD' and watch the crap hit the fan.
Start aggressive alternate fuel sources and tap 'all' of our own oil sources until we are independent on foreign influence.
Begin immediate construction of massive nuclear power plants across the nation.
Close our borders and kick out 'ALL' illegal aliens 'immediately' if not sooner!

Heck, I'd even vote for Billery if She proposed this

B) UT

I thought isolationism did not work well the first time. What makes you think it will work the second time around?

 

[UAL_TECH]

I thought isolationism did not work well the first time. What makes you think it will work the second time around?

In reality, it was working pretty well until the Japs bombed Pearl.
If they would have left us alone, they could have had all of the Pacific, for awhile...

B) UT

 

[Garfield1966]

In reality, it was working pretty well until the Japs bombed Pearl.
If they would have left us alone, they could have had all of the Pacific, for awhile...

B) UT

And thinking the earth was te center of the universe was working pretty well till Galleleo (I believe) pointed out that the beliefe was wrong. Things always work well right up to the point when they break.