APA votes for NEW Pres and VP

[IORFA]

Neither vote was close. What is the difference between the two? Was Hunter seen as too hard or soft? I haven't heard anything from the pilots about the election or the guy who won. Any predictions on how this effects pilot negotiations?

 

[LGA Fleet Service]

DALLAS - Pilots at American Airlines, unhappy over pay and angry at company management, ousted their union's top officers and elected a slate of newcomers who promised to take a harder line against the nation's largest carrier.

Miami-based pilot Lloyd Hill defeated incumbent President Ralph Hunter by more than a 2-to-1 margin in a runoff, and challengers also unseated the Allied Pilots Association's next two ranking officials.


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[TIME FOR CHANGE]

This should get interesting...

Now if we could only get rid of chicken little

 

[IORFA]

That answers my questions. Thanks.

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

(maybe FA Mikey might have some insite),......But if I remember correctly, The MIA(APA) base was as militant as NY, so yes, this will get REAL interesting !

Also, I know that this may be REALLY BIG..wishful thinking, but maybe(just maybe)..you FSC's in DFW....and especially you AMT's in local 514 (TUL) will draw some "insperation" from what APA just did, in this election, as it pertains to...."Being TIMID to standing up to the Man(AA), come contract time" !!!!!!!


NH/BB's

 

[AAStew]

(maybe FA Mikey might have some insite),......But if I remember correctly, The MIA(APA) base was as militant as NY, so yes, this will get REAL interesting !

Also, I know that this may be REALLY BIG..wishful thinking, but maybe(just maybe)..you FSC's in DFW....and especially you AMT's in local 514 (TUL) will draw some "insperation" from what APA just did, in this election, as it pertains to...."Being TIMID to standing up to the Man(AA), come contract time" !!!!!!!
NH/BB's

Bear, I can verify for you, that MIA guys (and gals) still have cojones.

 

[eolesen]

APA seems to clean house every other election or so, if not more often. This has happened before -- as they're heading into contract openers, there's a regime change with a slate blasting the current administration as being too close to management. Once the new slate is elected, reality sets in...

Actually, it's not that different from any election process... Look at how much of the Democrat's "first hundred hours" plan fell by the wayside after last year's midterm elections....

 

[SkydrolJunkie]

you FSC's in DFW....and especially you AMT's in local 514 (TUL)

That's better.

 

[AirwAr]

I still have a hard time seeing how the unions are going to stick it to the man, while not sticking it to themselves at the same time.

Assuming the unions are going to ask for raises that are much higher than AMR is willing to pay, what will they do? Go on strike and force AA into BK? I can't see how that helps anybody.

I can understand being mad about the bonuses, but what can unions do that isn't self-defeating?

 

[IORFA]

It is more important to go show the BOD the problems. Tell them to shove it up their AArse. They are the ones that make the decisions around here anyway.

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

I still have a hard time seeing how the unions are going to stick it to the man, while not sticking it to themselves at the same time.

Assuming the unions are going to ask for raises that are much higher than AMR is willing to pay, what will they do? Go on strike and force AA into BK? I can't see how that helps anybody.

I can understand being mad about the bonuses, but what can unions do that isn't self-defeating?

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You can "bet the farm" that come contract time...HDQ has a..Plan-A.......Plan-B.....Plan-C, on the drawing board.

For example, Plan-A, may be the one thats GIVEN to the specific union(with it's CURRENT Leaders) that is MO$T beneficial to the company.

"Go with" Plan-B, if moderate(union)resistance is met.

Plan-C, could be the Least preferable to AA, but one that they would RELUCTANTLY "live with", especially in the case of APA, WHO, has the ability to...CEASE OPERATIONS !!!!!!

"SIZE(in this case..BALLS) MATTER" !!!!!!!!!

NH/BB's

 

[AirwAr]

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You can "bet the farm" that come contract time...HDQ has a..Plan-A.......Plan-B.....Plan-C, on the drawing board.

For example, Plan-A, may be the one thats GIVEN to the specific union(with it's CURRENT Leaders) that is MO$T beneficial to the company.

"Go with" Plan-B, if moderate(union)resistance is met.

Plan-C, could be the Least preferable to AA, but one that they would RELUCTANTLY "live with", especially in the case of APA, WHO, has the ability to...CEASE OPERATIONS !!!!!!

"SIZE(in this case..BALLS) MATTER" !!!!!!!!!

NH/BB's

But it seems to me that the unions are out for blood and want Plan-D...and nothing less. 4 years ago the FA's nearly voted down concessions and would rather have gone to BK instead. My guess is they'll want nothing less than what they lost and would be willing to take us into BK.

The pilots electing a MIA pilot is interesting...I belive the home of the of Pilots Defending the Profession group...http://www.apapdp.org/cms/

 

[WingNaPrayer]

Congrats to all the union members who grew a pair and voted to take out the trash!

Here's hoping your new choices aren't as weak willed and eager to crawl into American's pockets!

I'm pleased to see that the system works. Hopefully it's not too late to turn things around and I hope this vote scared the living bejeezus out of corporate!

 

[Bob Owens]

But it seems to me that the unions are out for blood and want Plan-D...and nothing less. 4 years ago the FA's nearly voted down concessions and would rather have gone to BK instead. My guess is they'll want nothing less than what they lost and would be willing to take us into BK.

The pilots electing a MIA pilot is interesting...I belive the home of the of Pilots Defending the Profession group...http://www.apapdp.org/cms/

Why not? UAL, NWA, USAIR and Delta all went and they are all still around.If AA had gone BK then so would whoever else was left and then the problem would have had to have been addressed by the government. Didnt the railroad industry go through a similar crises over a hundred years ago? Massive overexpansion followed by waves of real bankruptcies(not the farce where BK is used as a means to simply rip off workers and the companies continue in business)and ultimately-consolidation? Whatever ever happened to that? I thought there was only going to be three majors when all was said and done?

I still say we screwed up by accepting the concessions and the only people who really lost anything in all this was the workers. Maybe a few small vendors lost a little but they can make it up by selling toilet seats that cost 50 cents to make for $1000.

Would the pilots force the company to go BK? I doubt it, the government would step in.The pilots should not only go for full restoration of buying power but restitution for lost earnings as well. If the "American People have the right to cheap air transportation then the government should go after the real culprits when it comes to costs-the oil companies.

 

[AirwAr]

Why not? UAL, NWA, USAIR and Delta all went and they are all still around.If AA had gone BK then so would whoever else was left and then the problem would have had to have been addressed by the government. Didnt the railroad industry go through a similar crises over a hundred years ago? Massive overexpansion followed by waves of real bankruptcies(not the farce where BK is used as a means to simply rip off workers and the companies continue in business)and ultimately-consolidation? Whatever ever happened to that? I thought there was only going to be three majors when all was said and done?

I still say we screwed up by accepting the concessions and the only people who really lost anything in all this was the workers. Maybe a few small vendors lost a little but they can make it up by selling toilet seats that cost 50 cents to make for $1000.

Would the pilots force the company to go BK? I doubt it, the government would step in.The pilots should not only go for full restoration of buying power but restitution for lost earnings as well. If the "American People have the right to cheap air transportation then the government should go after the real culprits when it comes to costs-the oil companies.

Ok. I think I'm getting it now. The union mindset is, in BK, AA could have cut non-employee costs deeper than they did outside of BK, while the employees would lose the same amout.

I guess I can accept that non-employee costs would have been cut deeper, but, I completely disagree that employee cost cutting would have been the same. I really believe we employees would have been worse off in BK, except for the execs, who would have increased compensation & benefits, just for sticking around. Not to mention all the lawyers fees.

It appears, however, with the rhetoric that's floating around here that we'll soon find out which way is better. You know what they always say, be careful what you wish for...